M.SIGGA Posted February 12, 2004 Author Share Posted February 12, 2004 Interesting Hananiah. But the thing I don't understand is, why is it an endorsed Bible in the United States amongst Catholics? Now I need to go buy another Bible. I like the NAB St. Joseph edition. The Jerusalem Bible is what is used at Mass I believe so you might want to check that one out too - if not in a store you can probably find it on Amazon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhatPhred Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 Have you read New Bible Theorists: Raymond E Brown and Beyond by George E Kelly? No, I've never heard of it. I have read Father Brown's The Critical Meaning of the Bible and Jesus: God and Man (both with Imprimatur). I started his Introduction to the New Testament and it is much better than the Anatomy of the New Testamant by Robert Spivey and D. Moody Smith, Jr., that we had to use in school back in the 1980's. Does New Bible Theorists have an Imprimatur? I don't recall mentioning Catholic Culture. I'm the one who mentioned Catholic Culture in my post on Feb 10 2004, 09:54 PM that originally brought up the mention of Hans Kung. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhatPhred Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 Interesting Hananiah. But the thing I don't understand is, why is it an endorsed Bible in the United States amongst Catholics? At the risk of stating the obvious, it is because the four Imprimaturs decided that the statement on THE INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE IN THE CHURCH (this is an HTML link!!!) by the Pontifical Biblical Commission endorsing textual criticism outweighed the contrary private opinions expressed on this forum. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hananiah Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 I like the NAB St. Joseph edition. The Jerusalem Bible is what is used at Mass I believe so you might want to check that one out too - if not in a store you can probably find it on Amazon. Actually it's the NAB that they read at the Roman rite Mass. I believe the Byzantine rite uses the RSV-CE, which is the translation used in the Catechism, and which I would recommend over the NAB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hananiah Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 At the risk of stating the obvious, it is because the four Imprimaturs decided that the statement on THE INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE IN THE CHURCH (this is an HTML link!!!) by the Pontifical Biblical Commission endorsing textual criticism outweighed the contrary private opinions expressed on this forum. Go figure. True, but the extraordinary magesterium outweighs the ordinanry, and the commentary in the NAB definitely contradicts Vatican I's statement that the books of the Bible have God for their author. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0lar_bear Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 While I agree with Catholic Culture's appraisal of Fr. Brown, they are a bit too quick to hand out yellow and red ratings. They give out yellow just for things linking to Catholic Apologetics International, or citing the works of Fr. Brown in an essay. I'm afraid I'm going to get a red when and if they ever review my site, since I plan on writing an essay against the NAB (mostly just the commentary, but also the translation). While I'm not trying to endorse Catholic Culture, Catholic Apologetics International does have some serious issues, and linking to a page can indicate support. Any site that links to CAI should include a disclaimer. Also, Fr. Raymond Brown's earlier stuff is good, but his later stuff became a bit...ummm...sketchy. Some of his writings clearly indicate an understanding of Scripture contrary to the Church's teachings on inspiriation and inerrancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hananiah Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 Sungenis tends to stick his foot in his mouth whenever he talks about Jews, but other than that I don't see much wrong with his site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0lar_bear Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 Ummm...Sungenius believes that geocentrism (the earth is the stationary center of the universe) is part of Tradition and that anyone who maintains heliocentrism (the earth revolves around the sun) is a heretic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 Let's not forget that Sungenis also supports Fr. Nicholas Gruner's Fatima apostolate. For those who don't know, Fr. Gruner is a suspended priest who keeps claiming that the Pope never consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary as Our Lady intended and who insists there's a conspiracy to cover up Fatima or something like that within the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0lar_bear Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 Oh, btw, the currently lectionary readings aren't from the Jerusalem Bible. They were adapted from the Revised NAB. Substantial changes were made (particularly in reference to gender-language), so they aren't directly from the RNAB, but the RNAB served as the basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hananiah Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 Ummm...Sungenius believes that geocentrism (the earth is the stationary center of the universe) is part of Tradition and that anyone who maintains heliocentrism (the earth revolves around the sun) is a heretic. The first part of that statement is true; the second part is not. Sungenis is a geocentrist, but he states in his science creed that he does not consider heliocentrists any less Catholic than he, since the Church has not made a dogmatic ruling on the issue. The geo-centrism section of CAI is actually quite entertaining. Sungenis actually defends his position intelligently, cites scientific documents, and builds a fairly good case (not that I agree with him of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted February 12, 2004 Author Share Posted February 12, 2004 Oh, btw, the currently lectionary readings aren't from the Jerusalem Bible. They were adapted from the Revised NAB. Substantial changes were made (particularly in reference to gender-language), so they aren't directly from the RNAB, but the RNAB served as the basis. for Paladin, Yeah this is right, I was confused. The Jerusalem Bible is what is used only on EWTN, and i think you can buy it from their online catalogue if you really want to get a new Bible. I personally like the NAB which you already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0lar_bear Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 I think that disclaimer is a more recent addition. He has also broken with pretty much all of the major Catholic apologists (e.g. Mark Shea, Scott Hahn, Karl Keating, James Akin). It seems like he spends more time in rather uncharitable attacks against Catholics than in actual apologetics. If nothing else, it presents a bad image of Catholicism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hananiah Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Sungenis seems to have stopped putting a lot of effort into writing for his website and started focusing more on books. He's publishing a new translation of the New Testament with commentary and apologetics essays, and also has 3 books coming out in the near future. http://www.catholicintl.com/products/future.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Is the NAB translation itself good? Just the commentaries are a little off in some areas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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