socalscout Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 (edited) Isaiah 22:20-22 20 "In that day I will summon my servant, Eliakim son of Hilkiah. I will clothe him with your robe and fasten your sash around him and hand your authority over to him. He will be a father to those who live in Jerusalem and to the house of Judah. I will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David; what he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. Matthew 16:18-19 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hell will not overcome it.I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will beloosed in heaven." Edited September 20, 2007 by socalscout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 [quote name='socalscout' post='1389431' date='Sep 20 2007, 07:32 PM']I will clothe him with your robe and fasten your sash around him and hand your authority over to him.[/quote] Interesting. Our Lord also told St. Peter, after telling him to feed the sheep: "Truly, truly, I say to you, when you were young, you girded yourself and walked where you would; but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands, and another will gird you and carry you where you do not wish to go" (John 21:18). This is referring to his martyrdom, but maybe the reference to being girded is also a parallel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socalscout Posted September 20, 2007 Author Share Posted September 20, 2007 [quote name='Era Might' post='1389436' date='Sep 20 2007, 04:38 PM']Interesting. Our Lord also told St. Peter, after telling him to feed the sheep: "Truly, truly, I say to you, when you were young, you girded yourself and walked where you would; but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands, and another will gird you and carry you where you do not wish to go" (John 21:18). This is referring to his martyrdom, but maybe the reference to being girded is also a parallel.[/quote] That is even more cool thanks. I will forward that to my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 I just used this with my youth group last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abercius24 Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 (edited) [quote name='socalscout' post='1389431' date='Sep 20 2007, 07:32 PM']"He will be a [b]father [/b]to those who live in Jerusalem and to the house of Judah."[/quote] (my emphasis added) "Pope" is also Italian for "father", as in Papa. I wrote an article about these scriptures awhile back that's still on CatholicQandA.com. Here's a link if you're interested: [url="http://www.catholicqanda.com/PrimeMin.html"]"The Prime Minister of the Kingdom"[/url] Edited September 21, 2007 by abercius24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafka Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 [quote name='socalscout' post='1389431' date='Sep 20 2007, 07:32 PM']Isaiah 22:20-22 20 "In that day I will summon my servant, Eliakim son of Hilkiah. I will clothe him with your robe and fasten your sash around him and hand your authority over to him. He will be a father to those who live in Jerusalem and to the house of Judah. I will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David; what he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.[/quote] {22:20} And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will call my servant Eliacim the son of Helcias, {22:21} And I will clothe him with thy robe, and will strengthen him with thy girdle, and will give thy power into his hand: and he shall be as a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Juda. {22:22} And I will lay the key of the house of David upon his shoulder: and he shall open, and none shall shut: and he shall shut, and none shall open. {22:23} And I will fasten him as a peg in a sure place, and he shall be for a throne of glory to the house of his father. {22:24} And they shall hang upon him all the glory of his father's house, divers kinds of vessels, every little vessel, from the vessels of cups even to every instrument of music. {22:25} In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall the peg be removed, that was fastened in the sure place: and it shall be broken and shall fall: and that which hung thereon, shall perish, because the Lord hath spoken it. ~In an eschotological sense I am certain this verse refers to the Great Catholic Monarch of prophecy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggamafu Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 I simply can't help but plug Scott Hahn's online course, here. This is perhaps Hahn's favorite method of defending the papacy (and with it, all of Catholicism). The meaning of Messiah is "Savior" as the meaning of Christ is "Anointed"; the Jews were in despair because the everlasting covenant God made to them through the House of David seemed lost; where was a Davidic heir? Where was the kingdom? Where was the Anointed One? In the Davidic Kingdom, in the king's absence (however long that may be), the office of prime minister (also translated as royal steward) held the authority of the king to preserve order and unity in the kingdom. Jesus is the final and everlasting Son of David. Jesus is the everlasting king in David's House, the anointed Messiah; therefore, having appointed Peter as key-bearer, Peter's successors hold the office of prime minister, which we now call the papacy, and continue to exercise the authority of that office. Seriously. Take the course. It has revolutionized my method of Catholic apologetics. Amazing. [url="http://www.salvationhistory.com/Online/Advanced/advcourse2_home.cfm"]http://www.salvationhistory.com/Online/Adv...ourse2_home.cfm[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socalscout Posted September 21, 2007 Author Share Posted September 21, 2007 [quote name='Ziggamafu' post='1389570' date='Sep 20 2007, 07:36 PM']I simply can't help but plug Scott Hahn's online course, here. This is perhaps Hahn's favorite method of defending the papacy (and with it, all of Catholicism). The meaning of Messiah is "Savior" as the meaning of Christ is "Anointed"; the Jews were in despair because the everlasting covenant God made to them through the House of David seemed lost; where was a Davidic heir? Where was the kingdom? Where was the Anointed One? In the Davidic Kingdom, in the king's absence (however long that may be), the office of prime minister (also translated as royal steward) held the authority of the king to preserve order and unity in the kingdom. Jesus is the final and everlasting Son of David. Jesus is the everlasting king in David's House, the anointed Messiah; therefore, having appointed Peter as key-bearer, Peter's successors hold the office of prime minister, which we now call the papacy, and continue to exercise the authority of that office. Seriously. Take the course. It has revolutionized my method of Catholic apologetics. Amazing. [url="http://www.salvationhistory.com/Online/Advanced/advcourse2_home.cfm"]http://www.salvationhistory.com/Online/Adv...ourse2_home.cfm[/url][/quote] Thanks I really do like Scott Hahn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 There is a feast day of St. Peter in July I think in which the Church reads from Is 22 and Matt 16 so the parallel is known by the Church. Couple things to note, the keys indicate succession of that office, since keys are something passed on from one to another. When I buy a house I get keys from the previous owner. When I seel the house I give them to another. Secondly the davidic office of steward had been going for about 700 years at this point and shebna was in a long line of stewards. That indicates succession of the office to. It was an office in the davidic kingdom. Jesus is the new davidic king for all eternity and has offices under him that are successionary for his people, just as God had offices for the Jewish people. You might also want to read 2 Kings 18 I believe it is where Eliakim (this actually occurs after the Is 22 passage) goes out to speak for King Hezekiah to the Assryian King. Eliakim's words were as good as the kings when he spoke. The office of Steward was one of spokesman for the King. That is what the papacy is as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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