Uk Wants Dna Of Every Single Citizen

[Farsight one]

[quote name='Justin86' post='1380239' date='Sep 7 2007, 08:34 AM']That's what they [i]say[/i] the information is going to be used for. How do we know that? How do we know the government would murder someone and then plant the DNA of a person they wanted to blame for it?[/quote]Do you honestly think that the government needs to plant actual DNA evidence at a crime scene to frame someone? Heck no. If the government truly wants you gone, then you're gone. This isn't a conspiracist attitude here. This is simple common sense.

[quote]For that to be legal you have to use one of those products and then, at least leave it in a public place. Unless you want the government to have your DNA don't agree to drink the Coke, or smoke the cigarette, or whatever else you they bait you with. Mandatory testing on all residents doesn't give people this option.[/quote]For that to be legal for a normal civilian or for local law enforcement, yes. But the way I understand it, a government official can come dig through your trash at any reason for any time(provided it's of course at the curb, thus making it no longer legally your property)

[adt6247]

[quote name='Farsight one' post='1380534' date='Sep 7 2007, 05:29 PM']Do you honestly think that the government needs to plant actual DNA evidence at a crime scene to frame someone? Heck no. If the government truly wants you gone, then you're gone. This isn't a conspiracist attitude here. This is simple common sense.

For that to be legal for a normal civilian or for local law enforcement, yes. But the way I understand it, a government official can come dig through your trash at any reason for any time(provided it's of course at the curb, thus making it no longer legally your property)[/quote]
One can argue back and forth about the practicality of such measures. The fact of the matter is it isn't good for the government to be able to track our every move. The government is already too powerful, going beyond its own scope, offering things like welfare, education, medicare, social security, and restricting what food we can eat, what medications we can take, who we can associate with, and what we can think. Do we really need the government to spend more of our money making itself more powerful?

[Justin86]

[quote name='Farsight one' post='1380534' date='Sep 8 2007, 06:29 AM']Do you honestly think that the government needs to plant actual DNA evidence at a crime scene to frame someone? Heck no. If the government truly wants you gone, then you're gone. This isn't a conspiracist attitude here. This is simple common sense.[/quote]
Yes, but being this is yet Stalinist Russia where people just vanish and no asks what happened to them the government would have to justify a guilty verdict in a criminal trial somehow. DNA is a great tool for that.

[quote]For that to be legal for a normal civilian or for local law enforcement, yes. But the way I understand it, a government official can come dig through your trash at any reason for any time(provided it's of course at the curb, thus making it no longer legally your property)[/quote]
Except that digging through my personal trash is alot like digging through the public trash. If I have friends over and they drink some Coke, smoke a cigarette outside, whatever, they're going to be using my trash. It's really not an accurate way to collect someone's DNA.

Edited September 8, 2007 by Justin86

[Justin86]

[quote name='adt6247' post='1380311' date='Sep 8 2007, 01:27 AM']This database of DNA would make every purchase trackable, even those made with cash, because our DNA would be on every dollar.[/quote]
The only way your DNA can get on cash is if you lick it, use it to wipe your butt, or snorted drugs through it. Just becuase you touch something doesn't mean your DNA is on it. Now you're fingerprints, yes those get on cash however any bill or coin is going to have too many fingerprints on it for the government to track. Cash circulates and passes through the hands of too many people too fast for that to happen.