The Cult Of The "santa Muerte"

[ruso]

Santa Muerte [Holy Death], a corruption (some would say perversion) of the cult of the Blessed Virgin in Mexican Catholicism.

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[url="http://leav-www.army.mil/fmso/documents/Santa-Muerte/santa-muerte.htm"]http://leav-www.army.mil/fmso/documents/Sa...anta-muerte.htm[/url]

Edited September 3, 2007 by ruso

[Budge]

Hey its your bishops helping Atzlan out in reclaiming American lands for Mexico!

[quote]mmigration system broken, needs reform, U.S. bishops say in Labor Day message
8/31/2007

Catholic Online (www.catholic.org)
WASHINGTON (Catholic Online) – The U.S. immigration system is broken and in need of far-reaching and comprehensive reform that respects the contribution made by those who come to this country, said the U.S. bishops in a Labor Day statement.

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In the statement, "Labor Day 2007: A Time to Remember; A Time to Recommit," dated Sept. 3 and released Aug. 24, Bishop Nicholas DiMarzio of Brooklyn, N.Y., chairman of the bishops’ domestic policy committee, said that Labor Day, which is seen by too many as “just another day off,” should be an occasion to honor “the everyday heroism and hard work” of those who were born in and those who migrated to the United States.

“The moral dimensions of work and workers’ rights are the center of our Catholic social tradition,” Bishop DiMarzio said. “We should not forget how our nation’s economy and commerce, our standard of living and even our time off are in many ways the hard won gains of workers organized into unions to bargain for decent working conditions and benefits.”

{trying to connect illegal immigration to unions? Come on, illegal immigration has broken unions given that wages are suppressed by it}

“Let us also remember that too many people in our midst – and millions around the world – still lack decent work or fair wages, toil in terrible conditions, and have no real voice in their economic life,” he added.

Labor Day should be a “time to recommit” to recommit to one’s own work, to treat others justly and to “defend the lives, dignity, and rights of workers, especially the most vulnerable,” the bishop said.

He noted that among principles on which to frame actions and choices in economic and public life are: - “The economy exists for the person, not the person for the economy.” - “A fundamental moral measure of any economy is how the poor and vulnerable are faring.” - “All people have a right to life and to secure the basic necessities of life.” - “All people have the right to economic initiative, to productive work, to just wages and benefit, to decent working conditions, as well as to organize and join union or other associations.” He pointed to the nation’s “failed immigration debate” this year and urged an immigration debate that centers on “workers who come to our land to try to secure better lives for themselves and their families by their labor.”

{how about following the lawas already in place?}

In recent months, “this vital national immigration discussion polarized our people, paralyzed the Congress, and failed our nation,” Bishop DiMarzio said. “We have to find a way to re-start the discussion, to re-engage the hard issues, to search for practical and realistic solutions.”

Bishop DiMarzio said that it an “inescapable” fact that “the immigration status quo is unacceptable and unsustainable.”

“The system is broken,” he said. “We need far-reaching and comprehensive reform.”

He said that the work done by immigrants in the United States makes a significant “contribution to our society.”

Most of the 12 million undocumented in the nation are workers, he said. “Our economy and communities depend on them. They bus our dishes, pick our vegetables, clean our offices and homes, and care for our children among other jobs. We cannot wish them away or simply send them away.”

“We have to find ways to bring these people out of the shadows, to protect them from exploitation and to regularize their status for their sake and ours,” he stressed.

Acknowledging that there are those who come to this country and “do damage to our communities and engage in dangerous behavior,” the bishop said that such acts should not be used “to demonize millions who contribute to our economy and society.”

Neither should those for or against comprehensive immigration reform allow disagreements to “degenerate into accusations of bigotry or changes of betrayal of national identity.”

Further, he said, immigration reform cannot stop at the nation’s borders. “There is no fence long enough or high enough that can wall out the human and economic forces that drive immigration,” Bishop DiMarzio said.

He urged the development of government policies that can help overcome “pervasive poverty and deprivation, the violence and oppression that push people to leave their own lands,” including measures on debt and development, foreign aid and global trade.

Immigration reform is ultimately an issue of human dignity, which “is a gift from God, not a status to be earned.”

“Fundamental rights to work, decent wages, safe working conditions, to have a voice in decisions, and the freedom to choose to join a union do not depend on where you were born or when you came to our nation,” Bishop DiMarzio said on behalf of the U.S. bishops. “Human dignity and human rights are not commodities to be allocated according to where you come from, when you got here, or what documents you possess.”

Immigration policies must promote family unity and protect children, he said, urging the rejection of practices and measures, such as recent raids throughout the country, that have the effect of pulling families apart.

He also said that answer to a “broken federal system” is not a “patchwork of conflicting policies, punitive measures and local disputes” throughout the country. “They can further enflame the divisions that make real progress more difficult.”

“We need a different debate, a constructive discussion that neither diminishes our nation nor divides our people, but achieves realistic, practical, and principled steps towards reform,” he said. “A national discussion that is based on reality, civility, morality, and consistency – properly understood – can lay the groundwork for real progress.”

He pointed to “signs of hope” over the last year, including the first of three “modest increases” in the minimum wage and the “landmark agreement” between farmworkers and the McDonald Corporation and Yum! Brands, the parent company of Taco Bell. He praised the work of the Catholic Campaign for Human Development and the Catholic bishops of Florida, among others, for their support and urging of the dialogue that led to the agreement.

Labor Day, Bishop DiMarzio said, is a “time to recall the powerful and consistent teaching of our church on the dignity of work and the rights of workers” and to recommit in “our own small ways –to our own work, to treat others justly, and to defend the lives, dignity, and rights of workers, especially the most vulnerable.”

“This,” he concluded, “is a requirement of or faith and a way to advance the promise of our nation.[/quote]

[Budge]

oops double post

Edited September 4, 2007 by Budge

[homeschoolmom]

Could you please stay on topic?

[Budge]

it is part of the topic.

With the Mexican *invasion* will come Mexican paganism including this cult of santa muerte.

How come none of these people ever get excommunicated from your church?

if some people in the local Baptist church {maybe not Rick Warren sold out kind] but lets say fundie Baptist were all worshipping a pagan entity, theyd be removed from the church until they repented.

[Mateo el Feo]

Apparently, Budge is confusing Mexican citizenship with being Catholic.

[prose]

I was just thinking the same thing.

[ruso]

The only thing which it worries to Budge, is that the Mexican immigrants, increase the number of catholics in the USA.

[Budge]

Actually many of them are converting to be Christians and becoming Ex-Catholics.

[url="http://www.hispanic5.com/more_hispanics_leaving_catholicism_for_engelical_protestantism.htm"]MORE HISPANICS LEAVING FOR EVANGELICAL CHURCHES[/url]

Anyhow why do you all support these people being exploited as the new slave class by the elites and the demolishment of the American middle and working classes?

your church actually hasnt helped all that corruption in Mexico.

Edited September 4, 2007 by Budge

[Mateo el Feo]

Wow, the Catholic Church is guilty of causing the exploitation of a new slave class by American elites (no doubt, Catholic!), the demolishment of the American middle/working class, and not fixing Mexican corruption...all in one short post!!

What qualifies you to pass judgments like this? Are you ready to be subject to the judgments you mete out? ([url="http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew7.htm#v2"]Matt 7:2[/url])

[Budge]

All it takes is reading the USCCB site and watching the actions of your Cardinals...Mahoney as a prime example.

Are you living under a rock making the claim that the Catholic bishops dont support illegal immigration?

[Mateo el Feo]

This is a thread about a pagan cult in Mexico.

Somehow, you have turned that topic into
1) An allegation that the Catholic Church is not excommunicating people as quickly as you would like. (a somewhat ironic lament, I think)
2) An allegation that the Catholic Church supports illegal immigration as a means for spreading pagan death cults.

Maybe we all need to take a few breathes...

[HollyDolly]

Well,this is nothing new and probably grew out of the beliefs of the Aztecs and Mayans,their ancestors,whose religion they never totally abadoned. Many of the bishops like Mahoney of Los Angeles do support
such immigrantion and the Sanctuary movement as they call it.

And yes,many of these illegals are exploited.Not by you and me,but by contractors who hire them for construction
work and don't pay them and other things,it's been on the news about construction workers working in Louisiana
in areas hit by Katrina.
That may not be the case here in Texas,since there have been employement agencies in south Texas
like in San Antonio,since the 1900s ,hiring mexicans,native born or braceros,legals who came here for work
or were forced out due to various revolts in Mexico.Locals can also turn to Lulac,a mexican american organization much like the NAACP.

Even the local paper has mentioned this Santo Muerto and it's ties to the drug and other gangs.
The Catholic Church was a victim of potilical corruption in Mexico in the 1900s.
There were priests who were executed by the mexican government for sticking up for the poor and the Church.
There were also honest decent people there who were martyers as well to the political situation going on at the time.

[eperez874]

thsi is not only form immigrants this is even from legal people.

this is a total zatanic cult not everybody celebrates it in mexico.
this confuses peoples mind.

I totally disagree with their views we had have a long philosiphical debate about this i wont but they wont accept their defeat in the topic.

[Budge]

Im glad you tried to warn people against this. Sure there are legals into this stuff, Miami has its folks who have been American for generations with Santeria and such.

Where are Mexican Catholic bishops and preists? are they speaking out against this?

You know it is worrisome how paganism has such a hold over Catholics in Latin America where when Latin Americans convert to be Christian those chains are thrown off immediately. My old church had a missionary from Bolivia who told me how things were when people became free in Jesus Christ.

Eperez you seem like a good guy, have you visited a good evangelical or Pente church yet? Find out what your missing oh and get yourself a good Bible:)

Edited September 6, 2007 by Budge