Why Is Doubt Considered A Good Thing In The Catholic Church

[Mateo el Feo]

As I said...

[Socrates]

[quote name='Budge' post='1372046' date='Aug 27 2007, 09:27 PM']a bowl of gruel, a shaved head, no pain killers and thin blue cot while racking in [u]millions[/u] in donations?

Color me unimpressed!

As for slanderous, these are her OWN words reported through a Catholic published book.[/quote]
Yeah, we all know the decadently luxurious life Mother Theresa lived on the "millions in donations" she "racked in" - the dream mansions, the fancy cars, the parties, the clothes, the bling! </irony>

The day you personally care for [b]one[/b] dying leper off the streets of Calcutta, maybe I'll start listening to what you have to say about this. Until then, color me unimpressed!

[BG45]

[quote name='Budge' post='1372046' date='Aug 27 2007, 11:27 PM']a bowl of gruel, a shaved head, no pain killers and thin blue cot while racking in [u]millions[/u] in donations?

Color me unimpressed![/quote]

Millions that she herself used to help the poor, the suffering, and those that society in general would never go near? As opposed to say, Benny Hinn, whose bodyguards [u]attacked[/u] a camera crew once during one of the investigations into where his millions he racks in goes.

I'd believe* a woman who struggles with her walk with God that ministers to 'the least of these', before believing* those who flaunt their millions in stadiums of healthy people.

*Believe meaning "Believe this person to be more likely to do the work of the Lord.

[N/A Gone]

Grasping at straws budge?

If you break down the faith to a simple matter of learning to properly love. Properly love the Divine, each other and ourselves then after reading much of your writing I need to be led to doubt your individual intentions and perhaps even your own sanctification. That is not a shot at protestants whom many have a great faith and exercise it daily, but your words rarely if ever bring someone closer to the love of Christ.

[Mercy me]

[quote name='kenrockthefirst' post='1371739' date='Aug 27 2007, 03:54 PM']"My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?"

Ring any bells?[/quote]


Apparently it doesn't ring any bvells for Budge. She is completely ignoring it.

[MilesChristi]

"And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in: Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me" (Mt. 25:33-36)

[Norseman82]

Budge,

If you read the article, you would have read that the doubt only happened at one point in life, not over her entire life. And the article did state she requested someone to pray for her to let God have a free hand in her life. Is that the sign of abandoning God, or rather abandonment to God?

And as far as to the works she did - aren't you the one saying that from grace works will follow? It could very easily have been God's grace that drove her to do those works during the dry spell. Did you ever think of that?

As far as anything else that may be disturbing, I will leave it up to the competent Church authorities. We may even learn something what the Church decides regarding our own dry periods. I look forward to it.

[Farsight one]

I personally think that doubt CAN be a sign of humility, and in that regard, CAN be a good thing.

[desertwoman]

It's called Dark Night of the Soul.

[Budge]

[quote]If you read the article, you would have read that the doubt only happened at one point in life, not over her entire life. And the article did state she requested someone to pray for her to let God have a free hand in her life. Is that the sign of abandoning God, or rather abandonment to God?[/quote]

Did you even read the article?, this went on for over 40 years.
[quote]And as far as to the works she did - aren't you the one saying that from grace works will follow? It could very easily have been God's grace that drove her to do those works during the dry spell. Did you ever think of that?[/quote]

I dont think her works were all that wonderful to be frank with you. A few people got a bowl of gruel, but even with the millions of dollars she left sick people sick and helpless a few inches from the floor on those horrible blue mats {the worse place to put an ill person is that close to the floor where they cant even get up at all on their own}, denied them modern medical care, pain killers and more. So while these poor people were given no medical care that really could have SAVED them {India DOES HAVE MODERN HOSPITALS} Mother Teresa made sure to jet-set to the modern hospital when she got sick.

[quote]I personally think that doubt CAN be a sign of humility, and in that regard, CAN be a good thing.[/quote]

So all the athiests are humble?



[quote]It's called Dark Night of the Soul.[/quote]

Christians are not supposed to live in darkness. This is another lie of Catholicism to glorify ANYTHING that has to do with darkness.
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[Budge]

More on this, I posted this on my board discussing this same topic..


All Christians go through misfortunes. Some here have been through bad things, not going to share personal details of anyone and Ive been through things as well. But the difference between the lost person and the saved person, is while the saved person may struggle and say GOD I DO NOT UNDERSTAND or GOD WHY??? WHY GOD WHY???????
Job cried out to God in pain and anquish, but he did not go into denying the existence of God!

This is far different from...saying God doesnt exsist or as Mother Teresa said:

[quote]— You have thrown away as unwanted — unloved. I call, I cling, I want — and there is no One to answer — no One on Whom I can cling — no, No One. — Alone ... Where is my Faith — even deep down right in there is nothing, but emptiness & darkness — My God — how painful is this unknown pain — I have no Faith — I dare not utter the words & thoughts that crowd in my heart — & make me suffer untold agony.[/quote]


Im sorry but this pain is not the will of God. This is a lost person in bondage, as she says "I have no faith"

[b]And if you believe in God as a loving Father, He will never FAIL in lifting you up and COMFORTING you should you call upon Him.

Mother Teresa's "god" did.
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This is not a test of faith, ie what kind of God do you believe in Catholics that would leave someone shipwrecked even as they call upon His name?

Ive faced major tribulations even recently, not going to share all details here, but God when I go to HIM, instead of letting the devil distract me, never fails me in providing PEACE, COMFORT AND JOY.

I relate to Baydoll. God is who I go running to [like a loving Father] for total COMFORT. I need God. I say God help me! He is there for me. Sadly and tragically because Mother Tereas did not know God and was seperated from Him due to her false religion she called upon a false spirit, that left her high, and dry, miserable and wretched.
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2Cr 1:3 Blessed [be] God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;[/font]

[Budge]

[quote]The day you personally care for one dying leper off the streets of Calcutta, maybe I'll start listening to what you have to say about this. Until then, color me unimpressed![/quote]

Ive helped people get medical care before.{setting them up for medication, and leading friend to free clinic she didnt know about and more}

I wouldnt put them on a cot on the floor and feed them gruel. So Ive already outdistanced Mother Teresa.

You all believe the media hype, about her. Dont even take a closer look.

Look INDIA has MODERN MEDICAL CARE. {I worked for a family from INdia for a short time in my 20s}

Want to know what they told me?

"Mother Teresa is a fraud, she leads people to die, rather then gets them true help!"

Edited August 28, 2007 by Budge

[XIX]

[quote name='Budge' post='1372341' date='Aug 28 2007, 11:39 AM']More on this, I posted this on my board discussing this same topic..
All Christians go through misfortunes. Some here have been through bad things, not going to share personal details of anyone and Ive been through things as well. But the difference between the lost person and the saved person, is while the saved person may struggle and say GOD I DO NOT UNDERSTAND or GOD WHY??? WHY GOD WHY???????
Job cried out to God in pain and anquish, but he did not go into denying the existence of God![/quote]
When did Mother Teresa deny the existence of God? I thought this thread was about doubt, not full-out denial.

[quote]This is far different from...saying God doesnt exsist or as Mother Teresa said:


Im sorry but this pain is not the will of God. This is a lost person in bondage, as she says "I have no faith"[/quote]
So I guess "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me" means that Jesus had no faith? By your own logic, that is exactly what it would mean.

[quote][b]And if you believe in God as a loving Father, He will never FAIL in lifting you up and COMFORTING you should you call upon Him.

Mother Teresa's "god" did.
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No Mother Teresa's God did not leave her out to dry, He just made her wait longer than usual. You know, like Abraham. If you believe in a name-it-and-claim-it spirituality in which you can ask for something and expect God to give it to you in 2 business days, then the least you can do is not attack those who

[quote]This is not a test of faith, ie what kind of God do you believe in Catholics that would leave someone shipwrecked even as they call upon His name?

Ive faced major tribulations even recently, not going to share all details here, but God when I go to HIM, instead of letting the devil distract me, never fails me in providing PEACE, COMFORT AND JOY.[/quote]
Like I said, not helping someone immediately =/= not helping someone period. Did God leave Jesus shipwrecked when Jesus died on the cross? Or did Jesus simply experience peace, comfort, and joy when he was being scourged and spit upon?

[quote]I relate to Baydoll. God is who I go running to [like a loving Father] for total COMFORT. I need God. I say God help me! He is there for me. Sadly and tragically because Mother Tereas did not know God and was seperated from Him due to her false religion she called upon a false spirit, that left her high, and dry, miserable and wretched.
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2Cr 1:3 Blessed [be] God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;[/font][/quote]
Like I said...look at the Holy Cross for an example of what Mother Teresa went through. Mother Teresa was comforted, just as Jesus was comforted. She just had to go through a lot of (temporary) pain to get there. Was she perfect? No, of course not!


Of course, if you actually bothered to read the responses of catholics instead of putting us on "ignore," then you would realize that we have said all of this about five times already. It hard to get someone to listen to you when they can tell that you are paying zero attention to them. But you basically regurgitate the same thing you said previously, and you don't even stop to check what we have said. In fact, I probably could have squashed your last argument simply by quoting other posts before yours.

But then, I am probably wasting my time writing this. The odds that you will pay attention to what I have to write as considerably greater than one in a googleplex.

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[quote name='Budge' post='1372344' date='Aug 28 2007, 11:41 AM']Ive helped people get medical care before.{setting them up for medication, and leading friend to free clinic she didnt know about and more}

I wouldnt put them on a cot on the floor and feed them gruel. So Ive already outdistanced Mother Teresa.[/quote]
Yeah right, because medical care is just 100% accessible in India. Just hop into you big bulletproof SUV and drive to the nearest hospital! Doesn't work that way in India.

[quote]Look INDIA has MODERN MEDICAL CARE. {I worked for a family from INdia for a short time in my 20s}

Want to know what they told me?

"Mother Teresa is a fraud, she leads people to die, rather then gets them true help!"[/quote]
So the point is?


You went through that whole anecdote just to tell me that someone in India think Mother Teresa is a fraud? And again, do you really think that all 900 million people in Indai had access to the same medical care as the family you were with, or even the few people you observed?

["Kyrie eleison"]

[quote]Ive helped people get medical care before.{setting them up for medication, and leading friend to free clinic she didnt know about and more}[/quote]

Great, Budge so should we give you the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE...

[quote]I wouldnt put them on a cot on the floor and feed them gruel. So Ive already outdistanced Mother Teresa.[/quote]

Do you even comprehend that this woman would take people dying off the streets who were maggot filled and attempt to show them love and give them some dignity, regardless if they were on the floor on mats. No one would bat an eye at these individuals, they were left to die on the streets.

[quote]You all believe the media hype, about her. Dont even take a closer look.[/quote]

No, you believe the worst of Mother Teresa, Budge you should take a closer look. This woman dedicated her life to serving the poor, regardless if you believe that she was lost or in doubt or that her work was done in vain. This is more than I could say for those on your board who believe that they should be crowned "SAINTS."


[quote]Look INDIA has MODERN MEDICAL CARE. {I worked for a family from INdia for a short time in my 20s}

Want to know what they told me?

"Mother Teresa is a fraud, she leads people to die, rather then gets them true help!"[/quote]

Yes, we all know that you love to believe that she was a fraud.

Here is an excerpt from an article on Mother Teresa

[quote]"When once a chairman of a multinational company came to see me, to offer me a property in Bombay, he first asked: ‘Mother, how do you manage your budget?" I asked him who had sent him here. He replied: ‘I felt an urge inside me.’ I said: other people like you come to see me and say the same. It was clear God sent you, Mr. A, as He sends Mr. X, Mrs. Y, Miss Z, and they provide the material means we need for our work. The grace of God is what moved you. You are my budget. God sees to our needs, as Jesus promised. I accepted the property he gave and named it Asha Dan (Gift of Hope).[/quote]

Budge, look deep into your soul, if you could live a thousand years, you could never live up to what Mother Teresa has done, for the poorest of the poor, the [b]UNWANTED [/b]and what she did for all for those who were dying on the streets. Many people were moved to give to her and her work. Whatever tumoil she was feeling never waivered her work and in my eyes, it is THROUGH the GRACE of GOD, that she GAVE HER LIFE to SERVING. Even in her darkest hours GOD WAS WITH THIS WOMAN.