M.SIGGA Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 duuude we'll get you me leah and brian and whoever else wants to go, between me and leah we have 2 old-school Latin Missals we could share.. that one Church whats-it-called near Pittsburgh has it i think! make sure all the ladies have a veil or scarf or hat. my mom forgot hers one time and a lady rushed and gave her one before we sat down and got any looks. Also make sure you follow the missal to the sound of the bells because the Tridentine Rite sits, signs(makes sign of the cross), and stands at different times and a lot more times than the Novus Ordo. When I haven't been in awhile I always get really lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimlog Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 Thanks for the heads up. PS: 250 posts since I joined Jan. 29th! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 make sure all the ladies have a veil or scarf or hat. my mom forgot hers one time and a lady rushed and gave her one before we sat down and got any looks. Also make sure you follow the missal to the sound of the bells because the Tridentine Rite sits, signs(makes sign of the cross), and stands at different times and a lot more times than the Novus Ordo. When I haven't been in awhile I always get really lost. the back of my missal says all the standing/kneeling/sitting for high/low mass dumb question of a kid brought up post-Vatican II, how do you tell the difference between a High and Low Mass? :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimlog Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 HAHA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 the back of my missal says all the standing/kneeling/sitting for high/low mass dumb question of a kid brought up post-Vatican II, how do you tell the difference between a High and Low Mass? :ph34r: Also speaking as a child of VII and I think I'm remembering this correctly... in the Tridentine Rite I think 8 candles are supposed to be lit for a HighMass and only 4 for a LowMass. The HighMass is the bigshabang w/ Liturgy of the Word and Homily and Liturgy of the Eucharist and the rites of prayers in between, like a Novus Ordo HighMass. The LowMass is no chanting and it's really short w/ maybe one reading and then the Eucharist, it would be said in the morning probably, or for a small group. I think there is also a LowMass for the Novus Ordo? Some parishes celebrate the Tridentine Rite differently; I've been to one that celebrated it but the priest faced the people and spoke through a microphone. The other was with the priest facing the altar and I could barely hear what he was saying because the Latin rolls off so fast. I always think it's really amesome that this is how all the famous saints and our Catholic families attended mass and worshiped years ago. It's also cool to think that this is what loyal Catholics were defending and martyred for during the Reformation and different heresies and struggles. I hope you all are moved by it. Lol this post is making me feel really guilty because the previous times I have gone have sort of been because of convinence :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 i kant wait! maybe the Novus Ordo low Mass is what we have on weekdays that takes only half an hour, no music, no creed, sometimes just two readings i think, penitential right is just the "Lord have Mercy" no confiteor, and optional homily? that could be it. i soooo gotta make plans for this to happen, Tridentine Mass is so cool! i hope he doesn't face us, i want us all facing God! unity in facing God in unison not unity in facing each other!!! <it's just symbolic, but it's still kewl!> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimlog Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 Don't feel guilty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 Aloysius Tridentine Mass Church Building: Holy Wisdom (Saint Boniface Church Building) 2208 East Street Pittsburgh, PA 15212-3002 Phone: (412) 231-1116 (Parish Office) (412) 766-0950 (Latin Mass Information) Weekly Mass Schedule: Sunday: 8 a.m. (Low Mass); 11 a.m. (High Mass) Holy Days and 1st Friday: 7 p.m. 1st Saturday: 9:30 a.m. Chaplain: Fr. Kenneth Myers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 sweet! i'm pretty sure that's the one i was thinking of! they got an indult from Bishop Wuerl, right? <althought i disagree that it should be required, in obedience i'll only go to one with an indult> this is gonna be sweeeett... maybe we'll go like next sunday or somethin! :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 THat is the only one that I know of in the diocese. And of course they need an indult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 Byzantine I grew up with the Latin Mass. I am quite pleased with the change to the venacular and participation of the laity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 Byzantine I grew up with the Latin Mass. I am quite pleased with the change to the venacular and participation of the laity. is there anything you particularly miss about the TridentineR? I think the clerical dress was also pretty spectacular and made the priest look really authoritative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 It looked good, and felt mysterious. I enjoy singing the Latin. You could follow along in the missal, but there was no real participation. People would be clanging and saying their rosaries, people would be standing next to your pew going to confession. Everybody paid more attention when the bells rang. But there was no balance, it was more sacrifice and little Last Supper. Now the pendulum has swung the other way. It seems more Supper than Sacrifice. I suspect we will never get it quite right, always leaning a bit to one side or another. THe Mass has changed and will change again. The best Masses have the mystery and the participation. My favorite Masses are at St. Pauls Cathedral in Pittsburgh's Oakland district. The place has retained all its grandeur and beauty of the last 100 years, and the Mass is reverant and beautiful. You don't have to worry about any liturgical surprises. You can do what you are supposed to do at Mass, immerse and lose yourself in the Body of Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 This is an amusing thread! I go to Latin Mass as often as I can (usually on Sundays), and I usually go to St. Boniface in Pittsburgh so I'll probably see some phatmassers there! That's so funny. :rolling: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 i soooo gotta make plans for this to happen, Tridentine Mass is so cool! i hope he doesn't face us, i want us all facing God! unity in facing God in unison not unity in facing each other!!! Amen! I can't stand Masses with the priest facing the people, it's bizzare and the symbolism is whack. I recently heard that a bishop tried to require the priests of his diocese to face the people during the Mass and the Vatican said he couldn't do that, it would seem that priests can say Mass the right way whenever they want. As far as I know the Church has never told priests to face the people, I wonder how this happened? It's confusing to me. I also wonder why people stopped using the Communion rail since it's by far the most uniform and reverent way to receive. Oh well.. It probably all goes back to the silly seventies. Hippie priests in rainbow vestments and sappy folk singers holding hands and singing "hey mister tamborine man.." Anyway, I hope the Church in the West experiences a revival of more traditional and theologically correct sensibilities. Fr. George Rutler (EWTN) has described current trends as "the worst self-mutilation of Catholic culture since the Arian crisis". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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