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[quote name='kateri05' post='1355518' date='Aug 10 2007, 08:19 PM']you're right. me failing to see that uncovered shoulders are a modesty issue is a complete failure to appreciate the beauty of the whole female body because i'm completely desensitized

oh please!

i've known people with beautiful hands, should they have to wear gloves? what about dainty ankles? the point is, modesty has to do with keeping ourselves covered to the extent that sexual provocation is not an issue, not covering any part of our body considered to be objectively beautiful.[/quote]

It would seem like pope Pius XII would agree with me:

[quote]"A dress cannot be called decent which is cut deeper than two fingers breadth under the pit of the throat; which does not cover the arms at least to the elbows; and scarcely reaches a bit beyond the knees. Furthermore, dresses of transparent materials are improper."
--The Cardinal Vicar of Pius XII[/quote]

Also, a picture that is found outside St. Peter's in Vatican City:

[img]http://www.azcanada.com/photoblog/photos/DSC00991.jpg[/img]

I'm sorry, but modern fashion is not typically modest. It matters not whether it is commonplace -- I'd assume you would agree that much in our world that is commonplace is sinful. I don't blame you for this, you, like virtually everyone else, has never heard this preached by the Church as she had done in ages past. You only have seen the world. I pray that all holy men and women come to this understanding, for the sake of salvation of souls.

My [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showuser=542"]betrothed[/url] dresses very modestly, and in a very feminine way. She actually informed me of the church's standards of dress.

And if sexual provocation is the only issue, why did women wear veils to mass for 1900+ years? Modesty goes beyond sexual provocation. You also don't know what might sexually provoke someone, and it's always best to err on the side of caution.

There's a convent in NYC that's run by a group of very prayerful nuns, and has a perpetual adoration shrine open to the public. They don't allow women to enter if they have any slits in their skirts, skirts above the knee, shorts, sleeveless shirts, low-cut necklines, etc. This is the way the church was for time immemorial.

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[quote name='brendan1104' post='1358543' date='Aug 14 2007, 01:15 AM']Only the priest says the Lamb of God.[/quote]

Actually, at the high mass, the people may chant the [i]Agnus Dei[/i] along with the choir.

[quote name='brendan1104' post='1358543' date='Aug 14 2007, 01:15 AM']At some places, especially in Europe, the people say the Lord I am not worthy along with or instead of the priest right before their own communion (when the priest turns around and shows the host).[/quote]
To clarify, in a mass where people other than the priest are receiving the Eucharist, the [i]Domine non sum dignus[/i] is said thrice by the priest while facing the altar, and then thrice again wile facing the congregation after he receives communion. The people may say it along with him the second set, but not the first.

[quote name='brendan1104' post='1358543' date='Aug 14 2007, 01:15 AM']3. The people can sing/chant, sometimes alternating verses with the choir, if that's the practice at the church. The people usually do join in at the ordinary parts of the mass.[/quote]

The people are encouraged to sing the ordinary ([i]Kyrie, Credo, Gloria, Agnus Dei, Sanctus[/i]), but are forbidden to sing the propers (Introit, gradual, etc.) In fact, only the men in the choir may chant the propers, as they are prayers "owned" by the priest.

Feel free to ask if you have any further questions.