Fssp Mass

[kateri05]

that's funny, because i had heard that "sins against charity number far more than sins against chastity"

[Maggyie]

I didn't mean that there weren't bigger problems... or that it was the girl's fault if the man couldn't control himself... I was just trying to explain why I like to wear shrugs... It is a question of personal taste, I feel more ladylike with my shoulders covered...

Frisbee, sorry to be exposed as a tasteless prude on your thread, which was not the topic of the thread, but I do that a lot, too. Hi-jacking.

Wow, I am having a bad day

If you do take pictures of your little group and the church, please do feel free to post them! I'd love to seem them!

[kateri05]

maggie, i'm sorry, that wasn't a slam on your personal preference in dress, but on those would use quotes like yours to say that people who do have sleeveless tops or dresses are shameless hussies.

so, apologies if i made you upset.

[Maggyie]

No problem I was not very clear in what I said! The internet is hard for communication since we don't have any non-verbal cues.

[jiyoung]

I've been told that the guidelines for modesty include no sleeveless, low-cut, tight tops, and no tight bottoms that are higher than the knee or so. My church has signs next to the doors with this stuff written on them. They're kinda fun...lol.

As far as headcoverings go, you could always use a scarf or something if all else fails, or a hat--hats are cute But I personally prefer veils--I think they're pretty

[adt6247]

[quote name='Frisbee' post='1351928' date='Aug 7 2007, 10:48 AM']I feel like we will be "fish out of water". If we just follow the congregation and the missal, should we catch on to what is happening?[/quote]
I suggest you attend a mass or two and talking to the pastor before you take the kids there, so you can answer any questions they would have. The pastor also may know where to get mantillas cheap. If you tell him you want to bring the youth group, he may be willing to chat with them after mass as well, answering any questions you may or may not know.

For me, it took going to the extraordinary form about 3 times before I really had a feel for most of what's going on. I wouldn't pay too much attention to the missal the first time around (especially for a high mass), as you'll honestly have a harder time following.

One thing you should know, that confused me at first, is that when the choir sings the parts of the mass (the Introit, the Kyrie, the Gloria, etc.), it does not correspond with the timing of the priest reciting those. Multiple things happen in parallel.

[adt6247]

[quote name='Maggie' post='1354432' date='Aug 9 2007, 09:43 PM']Not to us girls, no! But read War and Peace and note how Tolstoy describes Helen's bare shoulders through Pierre's eyes, and you'll see how men sometimes look at it... [/quote]
I have to agree with this, as a man. The form of a woman's shoulders are quite spectacular. I think most people today -- men and women -- fail to see certain problems of modesty, and fail to appreciate the beauty of she whole body because we're so used to seeing so much of it, we become desensitized to the problem.

Edited August 10, 2007 by adt6247

[Maggyie]

Hmm, this thread has kind of inspired me... I am thinking of taking my family on a "field trip" to the local Byzantine-rite church... Will have to do some research first though!

[kateri05]

[quote]I am thinking of taking my family on a "field trip" to the local Byzantine-rite church..[/quote]

i've been wanting to do this with my husband and keep not do let us know how it goes, i really would like to go myself!

[quote]I have to agree with this, as a man. The form of a woman's shoulders are quite spectacular. I think most people today -- men and women -- fail to see certain problems of modesty, and fail to appreciate the beauty of she whole body because we're so used to seeing so much of it, we become desensitized to the problem.[/quote]

you're right. me failing to see that uncovered shoulders are a modesty issue is a complete failure to appreciate the beauty of the whole female body because i'm completely desensitized

oh please!

i've known people with beautiful hands, should they have to wear gloves? what about dainty ankles? the point is, modesty has to do with keeping ourselves covered to the extent that sexual provocation is not an issue, not covering any part of our body considered to be objectively beautiful.

[Justin86]

[quote name='brendan1104' post='1353162' date='Aug 9 2007, 10:22 AM']The 1917 Code and other disciplinary/liturgical documents didn't even need to publish this restriction, probably because the feminist revolution hadn't even started so women would never have even dreamed of wearing pants to church. It wouldn't be fashionable or modest. Ask your grandmother or someone else who grew up before the changes if they would ever have worn pants.[/quote]
Yeah, haven't you ever meant an old man who said all women who wear pants are lesbians?

And I'm dead serious that there are people like that out there.

[Frisbee]

Hey everyone - thanks so much for all of your advice. We attended the Mass this morning and it was absolutely beautiful. It was so "sensual" - I witnessed the mass, I smelled the incense, I heard the words, and I tasted the body of Christ. It was awesome. My guys thought it was very cool too. We had some really good discussions leading up to the mass, and of course it lead into great discussion afterward. We tried to not get caught up in the missal and to immerse ourselves in the Mass. That is easier said than done - I think some of my guys did a better job than I did, I like to know exactly what is going on. I don't know if any of us are going to become regulars, but it was a wonderful experience and we all agreed that we must go back soon. We do have an amazing home parish with an exceptional priest. I have pictures of my group outside the church that I will get off the camera sometime this week (I hope) and I will post them.

My group and I will continue to lurk around the forum, and hopefully participate a bit more. This is such an amazing place. Thank you all.

Frisbee

[Romans1513]

Yay!

[Frisbee]

Now that we have had some time to digest the Mass, we have some questions that maybe you all can help answer.

1. Should the congregation join in the common prayers such as the Creed, the Our Father, and the Lamb of God? Some people did, others didn't.

2. Should the congregation also cross themselves when the priest does?

3. Should the congregation sing when the choir sings - if the words are in the missal? Again, some people did, some did not.

4. We noticed that it was the 11th Sunday from Pentecost at the TLM, and it is "actually" the 19th Sunday in ordinary time according to the "new St. Joseph Missal in accordance with Vatican II". Since the TLM is using the 1962 missal, do the readings keep repeating for 1962 over and over again each year, or is there a cycle A, B, and C?

5. As I mentioned in a previous text, we have a beautiful n.o. mass and a very dynamic priest in our home parish and do not want to leave. Is it acceptable to every once in a while visit the TLM in a nearby parish? What about visiting a Byzantine Catholic church to experience the liturgy there? It is all Catholic, and I am interested - as our my guys - in experiencing everything that is Catholic.

I am probably leaving out some questions. I am meeting again with my guys on Wednesday and will share the answers as well as get any other questions.

Ya'll are awesome.

Peace.

Frisbee

Edited August 14, 2007 by Frisbee

[brendan1104]

1. Only the priest says the Our Father, the server/people say "sed libera nos a malo." At Low Mass (non-dialogue, but where do you find a dialogue mass anymore?) only the priest says the Creed. At high/sung Mass, the people can chant the creed or alternate with choir/schola according the local custom. Only the priest says the Lamb of God. At some places, especially in Europe, the people say the Lord I am not worthy along with or instead of the priest right before their own communion (when the priest turns around and shows the host).

2. The congregation crosses themselves at the beginning, the absolution after the people's confiteor, at the end of the Gloria, Credo, and Benedictus with the priest, at the absolution before the confiteor before their communion (if applicable), and at the final blessing.

3. The people can sing/chant, sometimes alternating verses with the choir, if that's the practice at the church. The people usually do join in at the ordinary parts of the mass.

4. Yes, the readings are the same - keep repeating. There is no cycle at the Tridentine Mass.

5. Yes, as has been decreed lately, the Novus Ordo is the ordinary form and the Tridentine the extraordinary according to Benedict XVI. So yes you can go to any Catholic rite whenever you wish.

Hope this helps!


[quote name='Frisbee' post='1358403' date='Aug 13 2007, 06:25 PM']Now that we have had some time to digest the Mass, we have some questions that maybe you all can help answer.

1. Should the congregation join in the common prayers such as the Creed, the Our Father, and the Lamb of God? Some people did, others didn't.

2. Should the congregation also cross themselves when the priest does?

3. Should the congregation sing when the choir sings - if the words are in the missal? Again, some people did, some did not.

4. We noticed that it was the 11th Sunday from Pentecost at the TLM, and it is "actually" the 19th Sunday in ordinary time according to the "new St. Joseph Missal in accordance with Vatican II". Since the TLM is using the 1962 missal, do the readings keep repeating for 1962 over and over again each year, or is there a cycle A, B, and C?

5. As I mentioned in a previous text, we have a beautiful n.o. mass and a very dynamic priest in our home parish and do not want to leave. Is it acceptable to every once in a while visit the TLM in a nearby parish? What about visiting a Byzantine Catholic church to experience the liturgy there? It is all Catholic, and I am interested - as our my guys - in experiencing everything that is Catholic.

I am probably leaving out some questions. I am meeting again with my guys on Wednesday and will share the answers as well as get any other questions.

Ya'll are awesome.

Peace.

Frisbee[/quote]

[Ora et Labora]

[quote name='Frisbee' post='1358403' date='Aug 13 2007, 08:25 PM']Now that we have had some time to digest the Mass, we have some questions that maybe you all can help answer.

1. Should the congregation join in the common prayers such as the Creed, the Our Father, and the Lamb of God? Some people did, others didn't.

2. Should the congregation also cross themselves when the priest does?

3. Should the congregation sing when the choir sings - if the words are in the missal? Again, some people did, some did not.

4. We noticed that it was the 11th Sunday from Pentecost at the TLM, and it is "actually" the 19th Sunday in ordinary time according to the "new St. Joseph Missal in accordance with Vatican II". Since the TLM is using the 1962 missal, do the readings keep repeating for 1962 over and over again each year, or is there a cycle A, B, and C?

5. As I mentioned in a previous text, we have a beautiful n.o. mass and a very dynamic priest in our home parish and do not want to leave. Is it acceptable to every once in a while visit the TLM in a nearby parish? What about visiting a Byzantine Catholic church to experience the liturgy there? It is all Catholic, and I am interested - as our my guys - in experiencing everything that is Catholic.

I am probably leaving out some questions. I am meeting again with my guys on Wednesday and will share the answers as well as get any other questions.

Ya'll are awesome.

Peace.

Frisbee[/quote]

1. Except for the Our Father, yes, you participate.
2. I'm not sure about this one...I mean, I cross myself when my missal tells me too. I'm not looking at the priest the whole time...
3. I'm IN the choir... And let me say, the choir LIKES it when people join in. If you want to, go ahead!
4. Yes, they repeat.
5. I think it's a great thing to experience different Masses!! My church is in the middle of downtown Houston, right NEXT to the Minute Maid ball park (home of the Astros) which means we have visitors all the time! Our priest doesn't mind.