reyb Posted July 5, 2008 Author Share Posted July 5, 2008 [quote name='Kirisutodo333' post='1591398' date='Jul 4 2008, 03:50 PM']Now you see this made sense.......false....but at least coherent Peace[/quote] [indent]Prove it in the light of the scripture. Correct me please.[/indent] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 [quote name='reyb' post='1591862' date='Jul 5 2008, 07:16 AM'][indent]Prove it in the light of the scripture. Correct me please.[/indent][/quote] lol, how can scripture serve as proof when you don't believe it accurately portrays Jesus Christ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirisutodo333 Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 [quote name='reyb' post='1591862' date='Jul 5 2008, 09:16 AM'][indent]Prove it in the light of the scripture. Correct me please.[/indent][/quote] Nah...I'm Catholic...I don't need to prove it "in the light of Scripture." I think you need to move on to another topic 'cause apparently you haven't proved anything either. Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reyb Posted July 5, 2008 Author Share Posted July 5, 2008 [quote name='mortify' post='1591898' date='Jul 5 2008, 10:19 AM']lol, how can scripture serve as proof when you don't believe it accurately portrays Jesus Christ?[/quote] [quote name='Kirisutodo333' post='1591902' date='Jul 5 2008, 10:21 AM']Nah...I'm Catholic...I don't need to prove it "in the light of Scripture." I think you need to move on to another topic 'cause apparently you haven't proved anything either. Peace[/quote] Okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reyb Posted November 22, 2008 Author Share Posted November 22, 2008 [quote name='Kirisutodo333' post='1591398' date='Jul 4 2008, 02:50 PM']Now you see this made sense.......false....but at least coherent Peace[/quote] [indent]I am back. Why you said '...[post="1590667"]false'[/post]? Did I say something wrong? Can you please explain it to me, where is it?[/indent] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reyb Posted November 22, 2008 Author Share Posted November 22, 2008 [quote name='mortify' post='1591898' date='Jul 5 2008, 09:19 AM']lol, how can scripture serve as proof when you don't believe it accurately portrays Jesus Christ?[/quote] [indent]Mortify, I will say it again.... I am simply saying - Jesus Christ of the Apostles and Holy Prophets is not the historical Jesus. The Scripture is correct and true but it does not speak about this historical Jesus. This historical Jesus is just an interpretation or assumption or conclusion by a reader to the scripture but it does not follow that this Jesus is the true Jesus. [/indent] [indent]...Because there is another Jesus who is not the historical Jesus.[/indent] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytherese Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Seriously, this book called "The Case for Christ" is great! This real live atheist or perhaps agnostic depending on how you look at him, interviews a lot of scholars about Our Lord. Adn he pulls no punches. He asks a lot of tough ones. He asks about scripture, if the witnesses in the New Testament were credible witnesses, if the New Testament is even accurate, if the historical Jesus matches up with the one in the gospels, whether or not He had sanity (since He was some carpenter who claimed to be God,) if he matched the characteristics of who God would be, archeological evidence about Him, if He really did die, and if the resurrection even happened. Fascinating book. I learned so much from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 [quote name='tinytherese' post='1707968' date='Nov 22 2008, 03:29 PM']Seriously, this book called "The Case for Christ" is great! This real live atheist or perhaps agnostic depending on how you look at him, interviews a lot of scholars about Our Lord. Adn he pulls no punches. He asks a lot of tough ones. He asks about scripture, if the witnesses in the New Testament were credible witnesses, if the New Testament is even accurate, if the historical Jesus matches up with the one in the gospels, whether or not He had sanity (since He was some carpenter who claimed to be God,) if he matched the characteristics of who God would be, archeological evidence about Him, if He really did die, and if the resurrection even happened. Fascinating book. I learned so much from it.[/quote] I have that book, and I've read it. However, it's only convincing depending on what you require as "proof." The evidence is still fairly scant and requires a lot of faith to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galloglasses' Alt Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Oh no, not this thread again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reyb Posted January 4, 2009 Author Share Posted January 4, 2009 [indent]To Mitluin and Desmond, Since we are talking about the historical Jesus I posted something for your judgment.[/indent][indent]Acts 2:22-36 [color="#FF0000"] "Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. David said about him: [indent]"'I saw the Lord always before me. Because he is at my right hand, I will not be shaken. Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices; my body also will live in hope, because you will not abandon me to the grave, nor will you let your Holy One see decay. You have made known to me the paths of life; you will fill me with joy in your presence.' [/indent] "Brothers, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to the grave, nor did his body see decay. God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact. Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said, [indent]"'The Lord said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." '[/indent] "Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ." [/color]NIV[/indent] [indent]-----------------------[/indent] [indent]To the above verses it is very easy to see that Jesus (the historical Jesus) had already come, and this is what you are telling us in our last discussion in Holy Trinity – The Devil Doctrine. But why don’t we continue our reading in that book and we will find this verse... [/indent] ………….. [indent]In Acts 3:17-20 [color="#FF0000"]"Now, brothers, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did your leaders. But this is how God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the prophets, saying that his Christ would suffer. Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, and that he may send the Christ, who has been appointed for you — even Jesus.[/color] NIV[/indent] [indent]------------------------[/indent] [indent]Now, if we will consider Jesus as the historical Jesus, who already died and resurrected, why it is written ‘that he may send the Christ who has been appointed for you – even Jesus? What is this verse really mean?[/indent] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 [quote name='reyb' post='1742447' date='Jan 3 2009, 11:54 PM']In Acts 3:17-20 Now, brothers, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did your leaders. But this is how God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the prophets, saying that his Christ would suffer. Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, and that he may send the Christ, who has been appointed for you — even Jesus. Now, if we will consider Jesus as the historical Jesus, who already died and resurrected, why it is written ‘that he may send the Christ who has been appointed for you – even Jesus? What is this verse really mean?[/quote] Here is the translation from the Haydock Bible: 17 And now, brethren, I know that you did it through ignorance, as did also your rulers. 18 But those things which God before had shewed by the mouth of all the prophets, that his Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled. 19 Be penitent, therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out. 20 That when the times of refreshment shall come from the presence of the Lord, and he shall send him who hath been preached unto you, Jesus Christ, 21 Whom heaven indeed must receive, until the times of the restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of his holy prophets, from the beginning of the world THat Jesus Christ will be in heaven until he returns at the Second Coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reyb Posted January 4, 2009 Author Share Posted January 4, 2009 [indent]To Mithluin and Desmond, Regarding my point of view, I have said it many times. Christ is in you , and I am saying it literally. Christ is in you. I really mean it. [/indent] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Reyb-When threads are closed it is usually for a reason. Resurrecting an old thread to beat the same dead horse is silly. You have had your fun, and tried to convince a bunch of people who know better that our faith is based on thin air. I'm not buying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1742458' date='Jan 4 2009, 12:06 AM']Reyb-When threads are closed it is usually for a reason. Resurrecting an old thread to beat the same dead horse is silly. You have had your fun, and tried to convince a bunch of people who know better that our faith is based on thin air. I'm not buying.[/quote] This thread will soon follow its predecessor, since I answered the post and was ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reyb Posted January 4, 2009 Author Share Posted January 4, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1742454' date='Jan 4 2009, 12:02 AM']Here is the translation from the Haydock Bible: 17 And now, brethren, I know that you did it through ignorance, as did also your rulers. 18 But those things which God before had shewed by the mouth of all the prophets, that his Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled. 19 Be penitent, therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out. 20 That when the times of refreshment shall come from the presence of the Lord, and he shall send him who hath been preached unto you, Jesus Christ, 21 Whom heaven indeed must receive, until the times of the restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of his holy prophets, from the beginning of the world [color="#0000FF"]THat Jesus Christ will be in heaven until he returns at the Second Coming.[/color][/quote] [indent]cmotherofpril, is there a word 'second coming' in these verses? Okay I will look into it.[/indent] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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