crossingstandrewspass Posted February 8, 2004 Author Share Posted February 8, 2004 Agreed. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 It's Andy and this is my Phatmass name. I know how that is. I'm getting into the process and I have a feeling my Southern Baptist family might shun me for it. But I suppose that's the trial you have to go through in order to seek the Truth. In Christ, Andy I am shunned on certain areas of my beliefs by my family, and there are some on this forum who have family that do the same. :mellow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 .... Confessionator might have a certain special stereo he could give ya! <his mom hates him having religious stuff, and made him get it all out of his room. so i took an old stereo and hollowed it out and taped holy cards all around the inside, put books, an Our Lady of Guadeloupe candle, a Rosary, medals, and all sorts of stuff in there. but his mom found it and is making him get rid of it, if u want it it's yours... hehe> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 A new non-denominational organization is being started in St. Ferdinand's Parish called Cross. It's actually a great idea to get people to know our faith and us to get to know the faith of others. Right now, the organization is holding high hopes for Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, and Non-Denom. Church Members to all get together and talk about the differences and similarities between our churches. It also is going to work on spiritual salvation and serving the community. I personally think this is a great idea. What do you think? are you still planning on starting this up at St. Ferdinands? Ecumenical dialogue is certainly smiled upon by the Catholic Church... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crossingstandrewspass Posted February 9, 2004 Author Share Posted February 9, 2004 Yep it's still going and I'd be more than willing to take the Stereo ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 if u need help when u get to the catholic section, just let us know. actually, that reminds me, if there is anything about catholic doctrine that u are presently struggling with, let us know that too. i for one would be happy to help, if u would rather message me personally. pax christi, phatcatholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFaithMan21 Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Okey I'm going to start by saying I have no scriptural back up for any of what I am about to say. I go to St Ferds and for any other LT members who want to yell at me this is Shane. Like I said, I'm not well versed in the readings, but I do know one thing. I've always spoke my mind and I'm sorry for any controversey I create, but I cant let this go by without having my say. I was born and baptised under St. Ferd's beliefs. I love my relgion and I wouldn't give it up for anything. My faith has done wonderful things for me. I however don't always agree with the catholic religion. I mainly don't always agree with the pope. Yes, I said It I dont agree with all of the ideas of the pope. I was given by god free will. I'm not saying anything against the pope, but why when I disagree with him am I told I am "defiling the scriptures". My freewill gives me the right to believe and intrepret the readings as I choose. God wants me to be happy. He gave me freewill so that I can be happy and agree with what I feel is right and disagree with what I feel is wrong. Thats what makes me who I am, the choices I make. Without our choices this world wouldn't be as beautiful and diverse as it is. I'm not saying I am totally against the pope, but how can you make your own choices if you cant disagree with the choices of others? How can we truly exhibit freewill, if we are persecuted for disagreeing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 hi shane, welcome to phatmass. we use our free will to choose what is True. now, you don't have to agree with all the ideas of the pope. however, when he speaks in the special charism of his office as successor to St. Peter, we know this is something flesh and blood has not revealed, but the Father in Heaven wants us to know. he is protected from error, and thus must be believed. this is in teachings of faith or morals from the chair of St. Peter. Infallible stuff: #1 Dogmas, which are truths declared to be essential to the Gospel message by the Pope by virtue of his office as successor to Cephas, the Rock, Peter. #2 doctrines declared by the Pope as successor to St. Peter dealing with matters of faith or morals #3 doctrines which have always been taught by the universal and ordinary magisterium of the Church #4 the bishops in communion with the bishop of Rome (the Pope) defining doctrine in a Council, you know Trent, Vatican I and II, Nicea, Constantinople... all those things. without a council of bishops in communion with the Pope we wouldn't even know which books were the inspired word of God and thus in the Bible. so, you want to be able to interpret the Bible as you choose... here's the thing. you read the Bible, pray about it alot, and hope to interpret it the way the HOLY SPIRIT intends it to be interpreted. the whole essence of being Christian is to choose to believe what is TRUE, not to be able to believe whichever things you think are right, but to know what is true. we all have a fallen sinful nature, and we are all fallible. the Bible is infallible, but if we interpret something the Bible didn't intend to say, then we have made that teaching fallible. so, read the Bible, pray about it, THEN MAKE SURE YOU'RE IN LINE WITH WHAT THE CHURCH TEACHES. The Church has been given the Spirit of Truth who reveals all truth to her, because Jesus had much to tell us but we could not bear it now (i could try to find that verse if you want, i tend not to cite the Bible, just say what i've read in it without some chapter/verse) anyway, therefore, the Church is the Pillar of Fire and Truth, and when we interpret the Scriptures we look to this Pillar of Fire and Truth to compare and make sure we believe the truth. God gave us free will, and in order to follow His will we must use that free will to choose the Truth He has revealed to us. if we choose what we think the Bible means even though the Church which He has given us says something completely different, say we believe that we can have faith without works because of our private interpretation of Romans, we must look to the Church and see, well wait a second, the Church teaches faith is dead without works, and so does St. James! The Church is our guide to correct us when we interpret the Bible wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 (edited) double post... :ph34r: ahh, i might as well use it for something. you say God wants you to be happy, true, true. however, not all the time, if God thought the perfect life was to be happy all the time, He wouldn't have suffered and died causing all His loved ones great sadness and suffering. we're supposedta be happy? then how come He tells us to pick up our cross and follow Him. not that we're supposedta be depressed, but just because something makes us happy doesn't mean it is what God wants for us. if we seek to follow His will and conform our free will to His True will, the Truth gives us true freedom. freedom isn't being able to do whatever you want, freedom is choosing to do what is right, doing whatever u want will end you up not free but enslaved to your own desires. anyway, if we seek to conform our free will to His Will, as shown through the Bible, Sacred Tradition, and the 2000yr. old teaching of the Catholic Church, joy follows. but we can suffer, joy through our sufferings of course, knowing that they are for our greater good, but not always a FEELING of HAPINESS. Edited February 9, 2004 by Aloysius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Okey I'm going to start by saying I have no scriptural back up for any of what I am about to say. I go to St Ferds and for any other LT members who want to yell at me this is Shane. Like I said, I'm not well versed in the readings, but I do know one thing. I've always spoke my mind and I'm sorry for any controversey I create, but I cant let this go by without having my say. I was born and baptised under St. Ferd's beliefs. I love my relgion and I wouldn't give it up for anything. My faith has done wonderful things for me. I however don't always agree with the catholic religion. I mainly don't always agree with the pope. Yes, I said It I dont agree with all of the ideas of the pope. I was given by god free will. I'm not saying anything against the pope, but why when I disagree with him am I told I am "defiling the scriptures". My freewill gives me the right to believe and intrepret the readings as I choose. God wants me to be happy. He gave me freewill so that I can be happy and agree with what I feel is right and disagree with what I feel is wrong. Thats what makes me who I am, the choices I make. Without our choices this world wouldn't be as beautiful and diverse as it is. I'm not saying I am totally against the pope, but how can you make your own choices if you cant disagree with the choices of others? How can we truly exhibit freewill, if we are persecuted for disagreeing? Shane welcome to Phatmass. What ideas of the Pope do you specifically disagree with and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 I've said this before and will say it again -- choosing to disagree with the Pope on matters of faith or morals is putting your feelings and opinions above God. We're supposed to change ourselves to suit God, not change God to suit ourselves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christopher Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 Whenever I think of "non-denominational" churches I understand that they mean well, but also that there woudn't be "denominations" if we stayed true to God's church. :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 Whenever I think of "non-denominational" churches I understand that they mean well, but also that there woudn't be "denominations" if we stayed true to God's church. Amen, Christopher! Also, non-denominational churches are something of a misnomer, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christopher Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 I am incredibly in love with Our Catholic Faith. However, we as Catholics, children of God, are given a mind. We ARE to be obediant within reason to the Church/Pope/etc. But, we are also not forced to throw out our ability to reason. I love the Pope, but He is not God. We ARE NOT to judge him like schismatics but I believe we are allowed to have our questions about his behavior. "Why I Am A Catholic" by Gary Wills explains a point of view that you stay with your parent even when they are wrong at times. Nobody is perfect. Pax Christi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 I am incredibly in love with Our Catholic Faith. However, we as Catholics, children of God, are given a mind. We ARE to be obediant within reason to the Church/Pope/etc. But, we are also not forced to throw out our ability to reason. I love the Pope, but He is not God. We ARE NOT to judge him like schismatics but I believe we are allowed to have our questions about his behavior. "Why I Am A Catholic" by Gary Wills explains a point of view that you stay with your parent even when they are wrong at times. Nobody is perfect. Pax Christi. WHOA!!!!!!! This came up once before in this phorum. Garry Wills isn't a true Catholic; he's an anti-Catholic who tries to masquerade as a Catholic! You'd do well to avoid his stuff like the plague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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