Paddington Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 "It's not in God's [i]permissive will[/i] for us to be together." You guys should be paying me for these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvu_srfan Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Amen. Thanks for the reflection Kujo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddington Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 "It's just that you are too spiritual for me. You are increasing mightily in beatitude while I'm stuck caring about the things of this world: looks, money, status and charm." Still nobody has payed me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Terra, I agree big time with what you're saying... and I'm afraid to say it's definately in more widespread usage by women. It's dishonest... I've never used it... and it's never been used on me thank God... I'd freak the heck out. But I know of situations very close to me where it was a bad bad scene. What's so wrong with "I don't want to be with you" ? I mean, that's a perfectly good reason as long as you can live with it. If you want to be single, then be single. Why would you use God as an excuse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 [quote name='Paddington' post='1334216' date='Jul 18 2007, 08:33 PM']"It's just that you are too spiritual for me. You are increasing mightily in beatitude while I'm stuck caring about the things of this world: looks, money, status and charm." Still nobody has payed me. [/quote] Okay... that's funny... [quote name='God Conquers' post='1334511' date='Jul 19 2007, 03:15 AM']Terra, I agree big time with what you're saying... and I'm afraid to say it's definately in more widespread usage by women. It's dishonest... I've never used it... and it's never been used on me thank God... I'd freak the heck out. But I know of situations very close to me where it was a bad bad scene. What's so wrong with "I don't want to be with you" ? I mean, that's a perfectly good reason as long as you can live with it. If you want to be single, then be single. Why would you use God as an excuse?[/quote] Because it would seem that the people in question are just star-crossed... and that kiljoy, God, is messing everything up. The "God's will"er doesn't have to take the blame... s/he is a helpless victim of God's will.... btw, I didn't even look at this thread until now... the HP title threw me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 [quote name='God Conquers' post='1334511' date='Jul 19 2007, 02:15 AM']Terra, I agree big time with what you're saying... and I'm afraid to say it's definately in more widespread usage by women. It's dishonest... I've never used it... and it's never been used on me thank God... I'd freak the heck out. But I know of situations very close to me where it was a bad bad scene. What's so wrong with "I don't want to be with you" ? I mean, that's a perfectly good reason as long as you can live with it. If you want to be single, then be single. Why would you use God as an excuse?[/quote] Maybe it is more in use by girls ... I have never had a girl use it on me (hehe) and I've never used it. I have no problem with saying "This is not what I'm interested in." I think there are various reasons God is the excuse ... sometimes it's an attempt to "protect" the feelings of the person on the receiving end. Sometimes it's easier for the person making the excuse because they don't want to have to deal with all the reasons they don't want to proceed with the relationship and so "God" is a catch-all. And clearly there are instances where God isn't an excuse but is the real reason. But often I think God gets blamed for decisions with which he had nothing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 [quote name='Terra Firma' post='1334578' date='Jul 19 2007, 07:48 AM']And clearly there are instances where God isn't an excuse but is the real reason. But often I think God gets blamed for decisions with which he had nothing to do.[/quote] Well, yeah... "God's Will" gets bantied around a lot. There sure are a lot of people living life quite confident of every aspect of God's will for their life. People use it as an excuse to get out of all kinds of stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 As an excuse it's the least loving thing... as I think about it I just get mad. So, instead of telling you the reasons I think this isn't working, so you can A) know for the peace of your heart and B) maybe work on them, I'll just give a nonsensical catch-all blame-putter on God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted July 19, 2007 Author Share Posted July 19, 2007 It's interesting for me to watch the discussion of this reflection unfold. What started out as catharsis for me as spawn a discussion on how best to end relationships and stuff. I don't know if that was my original intentions, but it's still funny to see how God works through this stuff. Amen, my brothers and sisters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I think "This doesn't seem to be God's will" is the Christian version of the secular kiss-off "it's not you, it's me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 [quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1334914' date='Jul 19 2007, 02:14 PM']I think "This doesn't seem to be God's will" is the Christian version of the secular kiss-off "it's not you, it's me."[/quote] Definitely. And it's more versatile because it can be used in other forums as well. Friendships, churches, etc. -- all places where we mask selfish decisions by calling it "God's Will." Sorry that things got off-track, kujo ... if you want to pull it around to your original intent feel free ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 [quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1334914' date='Jul 19 2007, 03:14 PM']I think "This doesn't seem to be God's will" is the Christian version of the secular kiss-off "it's not you, it's me."[/quote] haha, I love it. So true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 [quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1334582' date='Jul 19 2007, 07:52 AM']There sure are a lot of people living life quite confident of every aspect of God's will for their life.[/quote] Or every aspect of EVERYONE ELSE's life... What a great way of manipulating people! Not only shut down someone who might be coming out of his/her shell, but imply that bettering your life is a sin and make them feel like they are going to hell for trying to come out of their shell in the first place! But yeah, they are probably just trying to justify getting out of doing their Christian duties.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 There was a VERRRRY good thread on "God's Will" from a few months ago that made so much sense that I'm going to it: [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=68080"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=68080[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 [quote name='Norseman82' post='1335111' date='Jul 19 2007, 07:31 PM']Or every aspect of EVERYONE ELSE's life... What a great way of manipulating people! Not only shut down someone who might be coming out of his/her shell, but imply that bettering your life is a sin and make them feel like they are going to hell for trying to come out of their shell in the first place! But yeah, they are probably just trying to justify getting out of doing their Christian duties....[/quote] What are you talking about? How is continuing in a relationship that one is not happy in "doing one's Christian duties"? Granted, it's wrong not to just be upfront by invoking God's will in the situation, but.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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