How Do You Like Your Latin Written?

[Resurrexi]

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[tojo]

My opinion is not at all informed, but I prefer none.

In Spanish, they annoy me, mean very little to me, and I don't like them there.

If Latin often omits them, I see no reason to inflict them on yet another language.

[Resurrexi]

Accent marks are actually pretty important in Latin if that which is being written in Latin is going to be spoken aloud (the Missale, Breviarium, Rituale and Pontificale all use accent marks, and if a Missal, Breviary, Ritual or Pontifical were to be published without accent marks, it is almost worthless for use in sacramental rites or other rituals)

Now, if that which is being written in Latin will not be spoken aloud during a sacramental rite or another ritual, accent marks will probably not be included (in the Acta Apostolicæ Sedis accent marks are not used).

[tojo]

My personal preference remains the same, but it is only my own personal bias, formed with little knowledge.

The Spanish I studied was meant to be spoken aloud. The accent marks did not help me much personally, if at all, and were frequently a headache to me. I do know that the accents marks are considered to be important to Spanish though, despite my dislike of them.

You are of course welcome to have a different preference.

You seem to imply though, that not "properly" accenting spoken Latin words would somehow make prayers and sacramental rites not as good as "properly" accented ones. Is this indeed your opinion?

[Didymus]

accents all the way. i can zip through prayers so much easier with em. well i don't go too fast, but it makes it like 900% easier

[abercius24]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1333172' date='Jul 17 2007, 11:15 PM']Accent marks are actually pretty important in Latin if that which is being written in Latin is going to be spoken aloud (the Missale, Breviarium, Rituale and Pontificale all use accent marks, and if a Missal, Breviary, Ritual or Pontifical were to be published without accent marks, it is almost worthless for use in sacramental rites or other rituals)

Now, if that which is being written in Latin will not be spoken aloud during a sacramental rite or another ritual, accent marks will probably not be included (in the Acta Apostolicæ Sedis accent marks are not used).[/quote]

Very true. Accent marks are important indicators for the change in tones when singing Chant (as well as graves). They are also very important when learning the correct pronunciation of Latin words.

Edited July 18, 2007 by abercius24

[abercius24]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1333172' date='Jul 17 2007, 11:15 PM']Accent marks are actually pretty important in Latin if that which is being written in Latin is going to be spoken aloud (the Missale, Breviarium, Rituale and Pontificale all use accent marks, and if a Missal, Breviary, Ritual or Pontifical were to be published without accent marks, it is almost worthless for use in sacramental rites or other rituals)

Now, if that which is being written in Latin will not be spoken aloud during a sacramental rite or another ritual, accent marks will probably not be included (in the Acta Apostolicæ Sedis accent marks are not used).[/quote]

Very true. Accent marks are important indicators for the change in tones when singing Chant They are also very important when learning the correct pronunciation of Latin words.

[EJames]

neither or i get it mixed up with my French accents..

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='tomasio127' post='1333235' date='Jul 17 2007, 10:48 PM']My personal preference remains the same, but it is only my own personal bias, formed with little knowledge.

The Spanish I studied was meant to be spoken aloud. The accent marks did not help me much personally, if at all, and were frequently a headache to me. I do know that the accents marks are considered to be important to Spanish though, despite my dislike of them.

You are of course welcome to have a different preference.

You seem to imply though, that not "properly" accenting spoken Latin words would somehow make prayers and sacramental rites not as good as "properly" accented ones. Is this indeed your opinion?[/quote]

Seeing as Latin is a language which has a correct pronunciation, that pronunciation is to be used and those speaking it should take great care to make sure that it is pronounced correctly

[goldenchild17]

I think the accent marks are useful for those who know it, but personally I could care less about pronunciation at this point. All I'd like to do is be able to understand it.

[imogen]

ye it depends if you know what they do....i like em but i probably dont say them properly...personally id say theyre useful in spanish n sound good!!

[scardella]

Umm... I only studied written Latin in HS. I don't ever remember all those fandangled marks.

[Pio Nono]

JMJ
7/18 - Fifteenth Wednesday

Accents screw me up. I don't need them in the Missal or anything else. Macrons are nice with poetry, but it's usually pretty easy to figure out the meter.

Just give me words.

[MichaelF]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1333362' date='Jul 18 2007, 01:00 AM']Seeing as Latin is a language which has a correct pronunciation, that pronunciation is to be used and those speaking it should take great care to make sure that it is pronounced correctly[/quote]


[i]Ecclesiastical[/i] Latin has an [i]established[/i] pronunciation (Opus Fundatum Latinitas being the main authority on Ecclesiastical Latin).


Classical Latin does not. We can conjecture, based on the (various) pronunciations of Romance cognates, but that is a shot in the dark, at best.

Edited July 18, 2007 by MichaelF

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='MichaelF' post='1334170' date='Jul 18 2007, 06:41 PM'][i]Ecclesiastical[/i] Latin has an [i]established[/i] pronunciation.
Classical Latin does not. We can conjecture, based on the (various) pronunciations of Romance cognates, but that is a shot in the dark, at best.[/quote]

I was talking about the Latin written in Breviaries and Missals which, of course, is ecclesiastical Latin.