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T-Bone _ Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 [quote name='I'm Mr. Snikkers' post='1332059' date='Jul 17 2007, 06:46 AM']HP's evil[/quote] Hewlett Packards are not evil!!!! Toshiba's are evil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful1 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 [quote name='jiyoung' post='1330403' date='Jul 16 2007, 01:26 AM']It's not meant to be a catechetical Catholic movie. But as the catechetics faculty at FUS says, you can make anything catechetical. And besides, we're not supposed to shield children from EVERYTHING that could *possibly* have a message not completely congruent with Catholic teaching--they'll never watch anything. I think there's nothing wrong with letting the children watch/read Harry Potter as long as you take the opportunity to use it as a catechetical moment. The woman who wrote that book, The Mystery of Harry Potter, is saying as much. Take the time with your kids to read it with them and point out what's good and reinforces Catholic teaching and general good morals, and what doesn't, perhaps more importantly--because the concern is more about the things that don't go along with Catholic foundations and can creep in to affect a child's beliefs negatively undetected. I think the uproar is more about the witchcraft and all that's involved. But honestly I don't think it really resembles actual witchcraft--brooms, wands, hocus-pocus magic words, fanciful creatures like dragons? It's fantasy, not occult literature. And as long as a child is firmly grounded in reality, a little fantasy won't hurt. But, as that book also stresses, it's up to the parents, who should read the books and decide what to do themselves.[/quote] Could not agree more. Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custos Morum Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 "Behind Harry Potter hides the signature of the king of the darkness, the devil," Father Amorth has been quoted as saying. According to Father Amorth, J.K. Rowling's books make a false distinction between black and white magic. Amorth says that distinction "does not exist, because magic is always a turn to the devil." I agree with Fr.Amorth who has done over 65,000 exorcisms in his lifetime and definitely knows what influences possession. Magic is evil period, because if it doesn't happen through God's grace then you can't know where it could possibly come from. I don't think Harry Potter should be encouraged at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_wannabe Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 go read the other thread theres 9 wonderful pages of info. its probably a better read than the hairy poter book it self. [quote name='Custos Morum' post='1336117' date='Jul 20 2007, 10:43 PM']I agree with Fr.Amorth[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 [quote name='uruviel' post='1330871' date='Jul 16 2007, 11:51 AM']The incantations are real ones that satan worshipers use.[/quote] Personally, I've never seen any evidence of this claim, although I've heard it many times. Can anyone prove it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 [quote name='Custos Morum' post='1336117' date='Jul 20 2007, 10:43 PM']I agree with Fr.Amorth who has done over 65,000 exorcisms in his lifetime and definitely knows what influences possession. Magic is evil period, because if it doesn't happen through God's grace then you can't know where it could possibly come from.[/quote] I'd like to read where Fr. Amorth claimed to have done 65,000 exorcisms. That comes to about 3.5 each and every day since his ordination. I could be wrong, but that just seems unlikely to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 [quote name='cappie' post='1330390' date='Jul 15 2007, 11:59 PM']With the fifth instalment of the "Harry Potter" film series released, the debate is bubbling once again over whether the boy wizard is suitable for Christian audiences or the cute face of a more sinister world of the occult that Christians should steer well clear of. Many ministry leaders in the past have criticised the ”Harry Potter” series over its use of magic and argue that it promotes the occult – an assertion that, if true, could be serious since the movies and literature target children who can be most affected by negative spiritual content. But even after five movies-worth of discussions, Christians are still split on the issue. ”By now, there's nothing new under the sun when it comes to the use of magic in the Harry Potter series of books and movie,” explained critic [b]Lindy Keffer[/b] of the Christian movie site Plugged In Online. “Even with all the magic in the air, the worldview of ‘[Order of the] Phoenix’ can't be called consistently occult. Like the world we live in today, it's a hodgepodge of ideas that are accepted simultaneously, even if they don't really fit together.” Dr Ted Baehr, founder of MovieGuide.org, however, is less accommodating in his review. “[T]he movie version of ‘Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix’ is liable to still do great business at the box office,” he wrote. “Regrettably, however, this means that even more children will be lured away from God and His Infallible Word, which says that witchcraft is evil and abhorrent. Instead of dreaming about the joys that God gives us through Jesus Christ, they will be dreaming of casting spells, using magic spells, riding brooms, and rebelling against their parents.” In the newest ”Potter” film, Harry’s magical world is interrupted by an evil disturbance. The main villain of the films, Lord Voldemort, has returned to the world and is mounting an army to regain his former strength. Harry, his friends, and several mature wizards such as Professor Albus Dumbledore must struggle with the current Ministry of Magic which refuses to recognise the dire situation. In an act of civil disobedience, the group must unite to prepare for an attack from Voldemort, despite the wishes of the wizardry government. The Order of the Phoenix is reunited, bringing together the “good” wizards to again fend off the dark lord. There is still a huge outcry against the new movie from several conservative Christian groups who warn families to keep their children away from the film, asserting that it can leave ill effects for normalising a dark spiritual world. There has, however, also been a new wave of Christians supporting the literature. They feel that others exaggerate the problems of witchcraft found in the books. One author and home-schooling mother recently had a change of heart when she read the books. After keeping ”Potter” out of her house for years, Nancy Brown from Illinois gave the books a chance and said she found the books to actually be positive for child growth. She has written a new novel, "The Mystery of Harry Potter", that came out mid-June to even encourage Christian parents with the material. "After reading Harry Potter for myself, I had to conclude that the Potter series is not about the occult or witchcraft but actually just the opposite," explained Brown in a statement. "The stories are morality tales filled with excellent opportunities for family discussions. "In short, the Harry Potter books are great for all families and especially Christian parents, who for centuries have used literature to illustrate the struggle between good and evil when teaching their children." The movies gained huge victories when conservative ministry heads such as Dr James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, and Chuck Colson of Prison Fellowship Ministries gave their stamp of approval. But looking at the whole landscape, it may be impossible to gain a firm consensus on how Christians feel about the wizard themes found inside “Harry Potter.” Is the material innocent enough for its audience? “Though the film version of ’Phoenix’ is not as gloomy as the book, the story presented therein is still far too severe to justify the affections of its primary fans: kids,” concluded Plugged In Online critic Keffer. “And that's true without even mentioning the ongoing dilemma presented by the omnipresence of magic and the clash with the real-life truth that there is no such thing as a good witch or wizard.” [url="http://www.christiantoday.com/article/harry.potter.occult.or.not/11560-2.htm"]http://www.christiantoday.com/article/harr...not/11560-2.htm[/url][/quote] I went to college with Lindy Keffer ... she's my facebook friend, haha. Too bad she lives so far away or we could have an interesting discussion about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custos Morum Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 [quote name='Raphael' post='1336627' date='Jul 21 2007, 09:38 PM']I'd like to read where Fr. Amorth claimed to have done 65,000 exorcisms. That comes to about 3.5 each and every day since his ordination. I could be wrong, but that just seems unlikely to me.[/quote] [url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=oYTZpufEEdU"]http://youtube.com/watch?v=oYTZpufEEdU[/url] have a look at this video where Fr. Amorth says it himself. You might need an italian speaker to translate for you.. Fr. Amorth is awesome, if not the best exorcist in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_wannabe Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 (edited) [quote]I'd like to read where Fr. Amorth claimed to have done 65,000 exorcisms. That comes to about 3.5 each and every day since his ordination. I could be wrong, but that just seems unlikely to me.[/quote] theres a 20/20 episode where he says it. he says he does almost 12 exorcisims in a day! . and thats pretty much why hes cheif. Edited July 22, 2007 by homeschoolmom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 [quote name='Custos Morum' post='1336674' date='Jul 21 2007, 06:01 PM'][url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=oYTZpufEEdU"]http://youtube.com/watch?v=oYTZpufEEdU[/url] have a look at this video where Fr. Amorth says it himself. You might need an italian speaker to translate for you.. Fr. Amorth is awesome, if not the best exorcist in the world.[/quote] Don't ya think the guys opinon might just possibily be a bit tainted by his profession? After all he supposedly sees the evil side of existance on a daily basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custos Morum Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 it's not an opinion.. it's a discernment inspired by the Holy Spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aalpha1989 Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 no one here is denying that magic is evil in all forms. however that does not make harry potter purely evil. i also didn't vote because neither choice is a good one. harry potter is just a novel (a bad one at that) and is not an instruction book on how to cast spells or worship satan or anything. i would say just because it does confuse right and wrong choices in a child's life (such as obeying superiors) it shouldn't be read by the young. Anyone else though, it is their choice to waste perfectly good reading time on a not so well written story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 (edited) i read the last chapter first....but I'm done. Edited July 22, 2007 by jmjtina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIX Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 [quote name='goldenchild17' post='1330415' date='Jul 16 2007, 12:56 AM']Satan's more than happy with 99 truths if you accept one lie [/quote] Psh, I seriously doubt that. It's way too easy to refute one lie if you are rooted in truth 99% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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