Harry Potter

[Bonbon]

[quote name='uruviel' post='1330871' date='Jul 16 2007, 10:51 AM']I don't think it's right to contrast LOTR, CON, and HP in terms of magic. The witch craft and wizardry in HP is different. The magic is REAL in HP. The incantations are real ones that satan worshipers use. That does NOT seem right to me. HP is a lot darker than other fantasies, I don't think kids should get into magic, whether they seem to be effected by it or not. It's certainly not healthy for them. The question is whether it would harm them or not. I believe that you aren't always the one to judge that, even the parent cannot know what will harm his or her child. I don't see it as safe to put your child in that position in the first place, yes they may not care or think about it. But it brings me back to the halloween subject. Kids see it as innocent fun, when it is not.
Children see HP as innocent. But satan is good at perverting innocent things in a very secret way, because the only way to draw children to him is to make it innocent like their minds. Anyways, I'm rambling, the point is that we may not be being careful enough, it is hard to define between innocent fun and evil nowadays because of the way satan works. I would prefer to avoid it all together.[/quote]
You don't like halloween Its a catholic holiday! All Hallows Eve!!
It is innocent fun. Theres nothing satanic about halloween...

[philosophette]

It is in between, depending upon the person's temperament, how impressionable they are, how they internalize what they read and see, and whether or not they can accurately distinguish between fantasy and reality.

[Resurrexi]

I would never let anyone under 13 read Harry Potter, but it is probably alright for a well-catechized Catholic teenager or adult who has no inclinations to witchcraft or satanism to read it (but a former wiccan should probably not read it because it might make them want to become a wiccan again).

Edited July 16, 2007 by StThomasMore

[XIX]

[quote name='Cardinals Flower' post='1330883' date='Jul 16 2007, 12:05 PM']You don't like halloween Its a catholic holiday! All Hallows Eve!!
It is innocent fun. Theres nothing satanic about halloween...[/quote]
It's not innocent if you dress up as Chuck Norris for Halloween.


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[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1330905' date='Jul 16 2007, 06:48 PM']I would never let anyone under 13 read Harry Potter, but it is probably alright for a well-catechized Catholic teenager or adult who has no inclinations to witchcraft or satanism to read it (but a former wiccan should probably not read it because it might make them want to become a wiccan again).[/quote]

Good point. I mean, there are exceptions (if a slightly younger child has a really firm grasp on things, for example). And I still maintain that, whatever the child reads, the parents should also read the book and discuss it with them. In this way, the parents can help to steer the child towards a proper understanding of it.

[uruviel]

[quote name='Cardinals Flower' post='1330883' date='Jul 16 2007, 01:05 PM']You don't like halloween Its a catholic holiday! All Hallows Eve!!
It is innocent fun. Theres nothing satanic about halloween...[/quote]

I like All Saints Day. I do not like halloween for various reasons, I have been into this before and don't really have the time to explain, but in short...
All Hallows Eve has been perverted into a day for the devil. It is, in a very literal sense, satan's day. Whereas, I know none of y'all treat it like that, it is none the less treated as that by many other people, so on halloween I prefer to pray and not celebrate.

[Didymus]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1330905' date='Jul 16 2007, 01:48 PM']I would never let anyone under 13 read Harry Potter, but it is probably alright for a well-catechized Catholic teenager or adult who has no inclinations to witchcraft or satanism to read it (but a former wiccan should probably not read it because it might make them want to become a wiccan again).[/quote]

i actually heard that many wiccans don't actually like the Harry Potter series, because they believe that it is too fantacized

[kateri05]

[quote]The incantations are real ones that satan worshipers use.[/quote]


no they aren't! terra has already addressed this. some are plain made up (riddikulus?), while others are based on alchemy from british history. go read the article she posted.

[carrdero]

The poll neglects another probable choice:
Unoriginal

[uruviel]

[quote name='kateri05' post='1331142' date='Jul 16 2007, 05:32 PM'] no they aren't! terra has already addressed this. some are plain made up (riddikulus?), while others are based on alchemy from british history. go read the article she posted.[/quote]

Thanks.


I haven't heard that before. What I did hear was that the exorcist at rome claimed that she used real incantations.

[jiyoung]

I don't know, it doesn't really sound like real incantations...it's basically Latin words, or Latin-sounding, and from what I've seen of modern-day witchcraft (Wicca) the incantations are usually in English (or whatever vernacular). And yeah, it really doesn't resemble Wicca, either, since Wicca is a lot more of nature-worship/learning to control nature, etc. I don't know much about satanism because I haven't ever been involved in it, but I learned about Wicca a bit when I was young and impressionable as well as curious. Wicca uses things like candles and herbs and regular objects for spells, whereas the HP spells involve a wand (which, again, has a core which doesn't exist in reality--dragon heartstring, unicorn hair, phoenix feather) and made-up words, and the potions also include fantasy ingredients. It seems to draw more on perceptions of witchcraft in literature and culture and sort of parody it in a sense. If you want to talk about something dangerous, I would point to the Charmed series on WB, which was honestly what made me go toward Wicca in the first place--it really resembles Wicca in real life, and as an uncatechized young girl I was easily influenced by it. I've never seen Harry Potter do more than direct a child's make-believe time.

[Bonbon]

[quote name='XIX' post='1330913' date='Jul 16 2007, 11:54 AM']It's not innocent if you dress up as Chuck Norris for Halloween.
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[quote name='uruviel' post='1331041' date='Jul 16 2007, 01:58 PM']I like All Saints Day. I do not like halloween for various reasons, I have been into this before and don't really have the time to explain, but in short...
All Hallows Eve has been perverted into a day for the devil. It is, in a very literal sense, satan's day. Whereas, I know none of y'all treat it like that, it is none the less treated as that by many other people, so on halloween I prefer to pray and not celebrate.[/quote]
Yes I know this is off topic.
Halloween is about the souls in purgatory. So yes it is about hell and the way the devil can corrupt you. In a way its satans day, but not that you embrace him, its the day you bannish him from you. And pray that God and the saints will help the ones who died with satan. It's the day of the dead. And i'm talking about souls, not just dead people, its those who are dead within their soul. It is a very important catholic holy day! You are suppose to fast and abstain on halloween.
We trick or treat every year but we don't eat our candy until the next day. Which is All Saints day. Totally different end. One days about lifeless souls the other is about souls full of life!


So Harry Potter and Halloween are too totally different subjects. They have nothing to do with each other, other then costume pieces. And you can't get mad about that because people dress up as Orcs from LOTRs and they are demon posessed elvis.

Edited July 17, 2007 by Cardinals Flower

[I'm Mr. Snikkers]

HP's evil

[cmotherofpirl]

HP is entertainment for a rainy weekend, nothing more.

[123]

This is wonderful English liturature for children, it is sad to think that even the devil used the imagination of children to cause them to sin. However, J.K Rowling is a good person, her works are no better than that of the late J.R.R Tolkien's writings about immortal elves and demon slaying wizards (that ,amazingly, were at one point "grey".)

[quote]What I did hear was that the exorcist at rome claimed that she used real incantations.[/quote]

The question you must ask yourself is, is every child reading Harry Potter for the sheer covetousness to cast spells and use witchcraft? Personally, I feel that the child only seeks to have his/her imagination fueled with silly stories of griffins, dragons, and simple "illusion" tricks that are made out to be powerful magic. Most certainly I did not read Harry Potter to cast spells. If children are running around the house playing with fake wands yelling out "spells" written in a childrens fiction book then I would merely laugh at childishness, not get the nearest priest for confession.

Here is a dirty secret I don't tell much, when I was younger I played a card game called [i] Magic: The Gathering[/i] you played the role of a wizard and you had a library of spells, the card deck. When I was done playing with my friends and relative I put those cards away because I knew one thing, it was merely fantasty. The magic that is in Harry Potter and Magic: The Gathering is not real sorcery.

Edited July 17, 2007 by GloriaIesusChristi