goldenchild17 Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 (edited) [quote name='StThomasMore' post='1323403' date='Jul 10 2007, 06:03 PM']Errrrrr.... The Mass is not a "communal meal"[/quote] I agree with you. However, Benedict has, I believe, made this point about it being also a communal meal. It wouldn't be wise to disagree methinks... edited to point out that I believe St. Colette has the correct reference. Edited July 11, 2007 by goldenchild17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 [quote name='goldenchild17' post='1323499' date='Jul 10 2007, 08:06 PM']I agree with you. However, Benedict has, I believe, made this point about it being also a communal meal. It wouldn't be wise to disagree methinks... edited to point out that I believe St. Colette has the correct reference.[/quote] Church - ekklesia (called out) Community - koinonia (community, assembly) Now, since the first century, the Christian community (koinonia) was called out (ekklesia) to chew (manducat) the Paschal Victim, from whom they drew strength, their identity, and their life as the Church. Christ's body in the Eucharist is the source of the Church's identity, and thus the source of the identity of the Christian community. What about this doesn't reflect a communal meal to you? No one is saying that the Mass is a meal in the "vulgar" way, but only in a sacred way. Also, no one is saying that the community's presence at such a meal somehow makes it about the community, but I think the fact that Christ gives Himself as the "panis hominum" to the Church means that the Eucharist is food for the Christian community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 Ecclesia De Eucharistia speaks also about the community that is formed when sharing in the Eucharist 23. Eucharistic communion also confirms the Church in her unity as the body of Christ. Saint Paul refers to this unifying power of participation in the banquet of the Eucharist when he writes to the Corinthians: “The bread which we break, is it not a communion in the body of Christ? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread” (1 Cor 10:16-17). Saint John Chrysostom's commentary on these words is profound and perceptive: “For what is the bread? It is the body of Christ. And what do those who receive it become? The Body of Christ—not many bodies but one body. For as bread is completely one, though made of up many grains of wheat, and these, albeit unseen, remain nonetheless present, in such a way that their difference is not apparent since they have been made a perfect whole, so too are we mutually joined to one another and together united with Christ”.42 The argument is compelling: our union with Christ, which is a gift and grace for each of us, makes it possible for us, in him, to share in the unity of his body which is the Church. 24. The gift of Christ and his Spirit which we receive in Eucharistic communion superabundantly fulfils the yearning for fraternal unity deeply rooted in the human heart; at the same time it elevates the experience of fraternity already present in our common sharing at the same Eucharistic table to a degree which far surpasses that of the simple human experience of sharing a meal. Through her communion with the body of Christ the Church comes to be ever more profoundly “in Christ in the nature of a sacrament, that is, a sign and instrument of intimate unity with God and of the unity of the whole human race”. The seeds of disunity, which daily experience shows to be so deeply rooted in humanity as a result of sin, are countered by the unifying power of the body of Christ. The Eucharist, precisely by building up the Church, creates human community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 (edited) yep... Easiest explanation buddy STM, not fullest explanation. You've really got to calm down and understand that compromising understanding in order to make yourself seem smarter than someone else is a bad plan. Our world is full of people who do not know Christ, period. You can't expect them to understand the doctrine of the Church. We need to break things down simply and easily for people to understand. There is a huge difference between catechesis and evangelization. Catechesis needs to be detailed, evangelization needs to be UNDERSTOOD. Edited July 11, 2007 by God Conquers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 [quote name='God Conquers' post='1324104' date='Jul 11 2007, 01:36 AM']Catechesis needs to be detailed, evangelization needs to be UNDERSTOOD.[/quote] Actually, it's very important that a Catechesis be understood, not just detailed. The point of being a Catechist is to understand the faith and then be able to teach it to others. To take what you have learned and you be able to present it to others so that they may better understand the faith. Catechesis is about understanding. Now Theologians, lol they are detailed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 [quote name='StColette' post='1324170' date='Jul 11 2007, 09:46 AM']Actually, it's very important that a Catechesis be understood, not just detailed. The point of being a Catechist is to understand the faith and then be able to teach it to others. To take what you have learned and you be able to present it to others so that they may better understand the faith. Catechesis is about understanding. Now Theologians, lol they are detailed [/quote] : My fiancee is so smart. She's not even a catechetics major. : Yeah, catechetics is also about making things understood, but it grows progressively more intense ("gradual and in stages"), so at some point, it can get significantly thicker, but that depends on audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 [quote name='Raphael' post='1324283' date='Jul 11 2007, 10:18 AM']: My fiancee is so smart. She's not even a catechetics major. :[/quote] Yep I'm not even a catechetics major lol I'm a Theology major, thus I'm very detailed lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 [quote name='StColette' post='1324395' date='Jul 11 2007, 12:40 PM']Theology major, thus I'm very detailed lol[/quote] It's true...she just goes on and on and on... : jk I love you, please don't hurt me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 Ah so true. Catechetics is like "the middle way" ! Actually in Canada there is unfortunately hardly anything in the way of formal catechesis going on in the dioceses that I have contact with. People here just desperatley need to be evangelized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doe-jo Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 the mass is heaven on earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 [quote name='doe-jo' post='1324687' date='Jul 11 2007, 06:22 PM']the mass is heaven on earth [/quote] Simplest explanation by far and it says a lot for so few words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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