Knights Of Columbus

[M.SIGGA]

[quote name='thicke' date='Apr 30 2004, 02:09 PM'] Actually, there may have been some incidents of councils Alabama refusing to accept African Americans as members. This is how the Knights of Peter Claver was founded. I have heard that the reasons for refusing membership had to do with insurance laws in the state of Alabama, but I think this "excuse" might be dubious. Keep in mind that because a few councils may have acted with a racist attitude, they did not represent the attitude of the Order as a whole. [/quote]
Actually it's Louisiana, that's where the general chapter offices are located and the homestart of almost all of America's Black Catholics ... but I might be mistaken

[thicke]

[quote name='M.SIGGA' date='May 1 2004, 11:51 AM']FYI: The KOC used to be segregated in the past, much like most of American Society ... that means no [i]Coloreds[/i]. My grandfather and all my great uncles are members of the Knights of Peter Claver because this was the organization for Colored People, and the KOPC also has a Ladies Auxilary - my grandfather still refuses to participate with the KOC because of their what he remembers in his childhood. A lot of things in the past were segregated by civil law, and the Church officially never supported segregation, but the bishops in the South did support the Civil "Separate But Equal" Jim Crow laws and did abide by them. Blacks were also designated to separate religious orders if they chose to be ordained in the United States because of this nation's past intolerances towards outward racial unity and harmony. All that is over now and the KOC is one of the Church's greatest organizations and I hope to join some day.
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I knew there was some of that, but I didn't know how bad it was. Do you know if this was just a southern thing, or was it more widespread?

I know we work with KOPC all the time. Soemtimes there are even honor guard members from both orders at events here.


[quote name='M.SIGGA' date='May 1 2004, 11:51 AM']Why do they get to wear hats in Mass.... this really bothers my mom lol.[/quote]


They take their hats off when they take their seats. I [b]think[/b] and don't quote me on this, that they have to have them off by the time the preist says "In the name of....". I'm not 4th degree, so I don't know fo r sure...

[thicke]

[quote name='M.SIGGA' date='May 1 2004, 11:53 AM'] Actually it's Louisiana, that's where the general chapter offices are located and the homestart of almost all of America's Black Catholics ... but I might be mistaken [/quote]
According o the history here:

[url="http://www.knightsofpeterclaver.com/history.html"]http://www.knightsofpeterclaver.com/history.html[/url]

The order was founded in 1909 in Mobile Alabama.

[BurkeFan]

Hm... I hadn't heard much about that stuff before. I know that racism did exist in the Church, sadly enough, around the turn of the century (1900). The thing that I always find interesting is that in 1880, the bishop of Portland, Maine was African-American.
In Christ,
Dave, Fourth-Degree Knight of Columbus

[M.SIGGA]

Thicke,

Yeah I just checked my KOPC book and you were right about Mobile. As Black Catholics heavily migrated out of the Jim Crow South in the early 20th century into heavily populated and established immigrant Catholic cities like Chicago, Detroit, and Philly the racism spread - it's also why these cities have the largest chapters of KOPC outside the Deep South. I've made peace with it that the Church never officially condoned racial segregation and times and people were different or at least outwardly different back then. Plus at some point EVERYTHING in the United States was segregated at some point in time, however I don't [i]think[/i] it was an official policy of the KOC, but in the South and other places, the Chapter was required to follow Civil Laws which were extremely strict concerning racial intergration. I don't diss their creditability and I think the KOC is one of America's greatest Catholic Fraternal Organizations - and I agree about the good spaghetti

God Bless.

[thicke]

[quote name='M.SIGGA' date='May 1 2004, 12:32 PM'] I don't diss their creditability and I think the KOC is one of America's greatest Catholic Fraternal Organizations - and I agree about the good spaghetti [/quote]
You're so cool.

[ilovechrist]

[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' date='May 1 2004, 12:36 PM'] I don't really like BBQ sauce that much.... especially not when the meat is all shredded and slathered with it.... [/quote]
ok...
that's nice.

my Dad is in the 3rd Degree, he might be able to tell ya some stuff you need to know... who here in their Knights Council also has a Squires Circle at their parish? i'm the Chief Squire for ours, and i'm interested to see how active others are....

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='thicke' date='May 1 2004, 11:24 AM'] What about the Bar-B-Q folks?????

Aren't there any other southerns around???

And I'm not talking about that carp they make in Texas. I mean, come on.....Who makes Bar-B-Q with beef.....Give me a break!

<Thicke, growing tired from doing this all day, runs and hides yet again>

Aw man, I'm out of breath.... <pant pant> [/quote]
Oh, I'm with you on the BBQ, thicke... but not too spicy... i'm a yankee all the way! BTW, bought some tootsie rolls from the KoC tonight... love tootsie rolls.

[Sinner]

K of C Rocks!!!! I am a 20 year member. Basically a philanthropic fraternal organization loyal to the Church, Pope and Magisterium. WE NEED YOUNG MEN (Ok and old guys too) DEDICATED TO SERVICE. The KofC is a great way to organize for Time and Talent to be given to the Church on a regular basis. Step out of your comfort zone and join boyz..... we're lookin for a few good men. Or are ya yella?

[homeschoolmom]

I mean no disrespect and I'm not trying to be flippant... but who's Columbus and why does he need knights?

[amarkich]

I am unaware of whether or not this has already been said, but the Knights of Columbus have held (and continue to hold, in certain parts of the country) "ecumenical" gatherings openly (picnics and other social events) with the Freemasons. This is a very disturbing fact, and I hope that this is not going on anywhere near you guys. They used to be so Traditional and were actually at all first Holy Communions. God bless.

[thicke]

[quote name='amarkich' date='May 1 2004, 11:57 PM'] I am unaware of whether or not this has already been said, but the Knights of Columbus have held (and continue to hold, in certain parts of the country) "ecumenical" gatherings openly (picnics and other social events) with the Freemasons. This is a very disturbing fact, and I hope that this is not going on anywhere near you guys. They used to be so Traditional and were actually at all first Holy Communions. God bless. [/quote]
Please provide documentation. This is a serious accusation. Where I am from, we have nothing to do with Freemasons. If you are going to accuse an organization of something like that, you really need it back it up.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='amarkich' date='May 2 2004, 01:57 AM'] I am unaware of whether or not this has already been said, but the Knights of Columbus have held (and continue to hold, in certain parts of the country) "ecumenical" gatherings openly (picnics and other social events) with the Freemasons. This is a very disturbing fact, and I hope that this is not going on anywhere near you guys. They used to be so Traditional and were actually at all first Holy Communions. God bless. [/quote]
This is not of the Knights. If this is happening, it's because of rouge councils.

No Catholic may be a Freemason and be a practical Catholic. To be a Knight, one must be a practical Catholic.

If any Knight that does something with a freemason organization, it most likely is out of ignorance.

If you see this happening, please speak up, speak to the Pastor, and send something to the Bishop... if that doesn't work, go to the Archbishop.

God Bless,
ironmonk

[Sinner]

[quote]I am unaware of whether or not this has already been said, but the Knights of Columbus have held (and continue to hold, in certain parts of the country) "ecumenical" gatherings openly (picnics and other social events) with the Freemasons. This is a very disturbing fact, and I hope that this is not going on anywhere near you guys. They used to be so Traditional and were actually at all first Holy Communions. God bless. [/quote]

FREEMASONS? GIVE ME A BREAK.......

OK AMARKICH........ NOW I'M TICKED :mad:

CITE YOUR SOURCE OR APOLOGIZE.

You have defamed an organization that is responsible for spreading more good than you can possibly achieve in a lifetime! And you will never be able to cook fish as well as we do either.......

Seriously, you have done a disservice to a very worthy organization.... and if you do have any evidence of your accusation, then it is some far-out anomaly.... and you still owe an apology.

The Order has been called "the strong right arm of the Church," and has been praised by popes, presidents and other world leaders, for support of the Church, programs of evangelization and Catholic education, civic involvement and aid to those in need.

What are the requirements?

Membership requirements are that a man be a practical Catholic gentleman, who is 18 years of age or older.
What is a practical Catholic?
A practical Catholic is one who is in union with the Holy See and who practices the precepts of the Catholic Church.

Social Crisis
During the 1960s and 1970s, decades of degeneration and social chaos, the Knights of Columbus, behind Supreme Knight John McDevitt and Supreme Knight Virgil C. Dechant, stood as a tower amidst societal crisis to promote racial equality and love of country. Against a tide of dissension, the Order championed Church teaching on divorce, birth control, abortion and pornography.

Dedication to Church
Since the late 1970s, the Supreme Council has fostered devotion to the Church and the Blessed Mother, and pledged the Knights' support for the Holy Father, the cardinals, bishops and all the clergy and religious. Deep loyalty to the Vatican is represented by the Order's contributions to the pope's charities and the Vatican's needs for architectural restoration and artistic beautification.

Renewed Dedication
In 2000, Supreme Knight Carl A. Anderson was elected to office. Continuing the tradition of devotion to the Church and the Blessed Mother, he rededicated the Order to its role as "strong right arm of the Church" in the renewal of society. He especially promised new vigor in the fight for the culture of life over the culture of death as the Order moves into the 21st century.

Volunteer Service
As the Order has grown, its benevolence has increased. The Order continues to break all of its previous records for charitable contributions and volunteer service. In the past decade, the Knights have raised and donated nearly $1 billion to numerous charitable causes and volunteered nearly 400 million hours of service. Last year alone, the Knights donated more than $125 million and more than 60 million volunteer hours to charitable causes.

AMARKICH spare me the "God Bless" when making such slanderous statements as in your post.

[Sinner]

And the more I've thought about it.......... what if the KofC did have a picnic with the Freemasons? I suppose Our Lord should not have dined with tax collectors either????