track2004 Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Tyler Durden: It's only after you've lost everything that you're free to do anything. Ok so that quote is from Fight Club and I was wondering if you all agreed or disagreed and why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 first off, Fight Club is one of my favorite moves.....ever. if anyone is looking for an inside look at the male psyche, that is it. anyway, i totally agree w/ this statment. of course, a few qualifiers are in order though. such as, what exactly is being lost? what must be lost so that freedom may be attained? i think about this statment, the role it played in the movie, and how the statment pertains to my life, and i can't help but think of all the inhibitions and insecurities i have that keep me and restrict me from realizing my full potential. just imagine if those inhibitions did not exist. that would be undescribable freedom for me, a freedom i only seem to catch glimpses of in my life. i also think this "loss" pertains to those times in are lives when we are utterly crushed, humbled..........even humiliated. when our foolish pride is absolutely no more, when we realize that we are nothing and that we can do nothing w/o God. "i must decrease so that he may increase." its amazing how our pride and the artificial, ephemeral things that we hold on to, our attempt to control our lives and the world around us can give us this amesome illusion of control and freedom, when in all actuality we are slaves to an intense and unwavering bondage. that is what that line means to me. and i probably never apply it to my life as much as i should..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 "freedom just another word for nothing left to lose, it ain't nothing if it ain't free" :guitar: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
track2004 Posted February 4, 2004 Author Share Posted February 4, 2004 i can't help but think of all the inhibitions and insecurities i have that keep me and restrict me from realizing my full potential. just imagine if those inhibitions did not exist. that would be undescribable freedom That's what I was thinking, that if my inhibitions are gone then I have everything to gain. I went to a youth group last night where I technically didn't belong, and I talked more openly than when I go to GS or my own youth group (woot for HRYG). It was really odd and it got me thinking and wondering why I could talk. I figured it was because I had already left them there by risking every single relationship in that room, but since they hadn't jumped me as I walked in they still accepted me. It actually amazes me that I opened a new topic here because yes I am that quiet and shy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 well, i feel ya bro. going to parties or clubs where i don't know anyone always makes me uncomfortable too. also, all this anxiety i've been feeling recently has just made me even more introverted, where i'd soon just be by myself and work on the reference section in the apologetics board all night! this is a good place to get that social interaction that is harder to come by in a real and tangible way. but, for me, i've found that it is only sufficient for a time. then, i gotta make myself log outta here and call someone up or go visit a friend. but, enough about me (this place sometimes inadvertently becomes my online diary!). good to see another Fight Club fan :punch: :slap: :knockout: holla back, phatcatholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 its amazing how our pride and the artificial, ephemeral things that we hold on to, our attempt to control our lives and the world around us can give us this amesome illusion of control and freedom, when in all actuality we are slaves to an intense and unwavering bondage. Me and my pops were just having this discussion like yesterday! How foolish so many of us think we have total freedom, we are free to choose how we live when in fact we are slaves to sin. This lie that the devil seems to be feeding us with and we continue to allow ourselves to be blinded. I tend to agree with the statement and risk all together from a similar angle. The true sense of freedom seems to edge towards loss when in fact it is truly gain. It's a hard gamble because sometimes we can get so comfortable in the situation we're in, (illusion perhaps?) and by risking it means we would lose our comfort zone. (thus being free?) But by risking it, something that in fact we have grown comfortable in (possibly love?) are we not gambling for something we can truly be more free? More Christ like? yes, now I'm talking in circles, it is time for sleep. "I must decrease while He must increase" says it best. It actually amazes me that I opened a new topic here because yes I am that quiet and shy. Thanks for the topic!!! Come on, you know you couldn't resist the phatmass addiction of topic posting....... btw, what is the fight club? :squash: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
track2004 Posted February 7, 2004 Author Share Posted February 7, 2004 I really like the "I must decrease while He must increase". It is so true because we all need to give up our own wants and trust that God is going to take care of it all. When I origionally posted this I was thinking about the person to person relationships because was with people who I have known for just about ever, but I had risked my place in the group because I had stood up against them on some issues. I think that in doing that I gained all sorts of freedom because I knew they would not reject me. That knowledge let me talk because some times even with my closest friends, I keep quite. Jmjtina ~ Fight Club is a movie about two men who form a club of sorts to figure out who they are. The main character (the unnamed narrator) loses everything he owns and eventually his job, but in the fights he find he sleeps better and finds a way to cope with life. OK that is a really sappy explination to a movie which is all about a bunch of guys beathing the crud out of each other, but it has it's good points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 I really like the "I must decrease while He must increase". check out my personal photo! see that little spec next to the Sacred Heart? that' my pic!! :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katt1227 Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 First of all, I want to say thanks for posting this question, Track. I love Fight Club, in fact I just put it in to watch tonight because of this post. I'm not sure if I definitively agree or disagree with this statement, because my idea of freedom has changed drastically in the past few months. I agree that often times we have to give stuff up in order to gain anything. But, I don't know that what we have or what we lose defines what we are able to do. I do have to disagree with jmjtina, though. You said that we are foolish to think that we have freedom. I find that in the end, that's many times all we have. Good or Bad, I have freedom. I have the freedom to choose pretty much whatever I want to do. Sometimes, i choose to sin, sometimes I choose to resist temptation. But I am free to make this choice. It is one of the greatest gifts God has given us, free will. Because of my recognition of my freedom, I respect the freedom of others and this limits what I ultimately choose to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 Cmother that's the most amesome smiley ever! I totally agree. Freedom and happiness comes with simplicity - I personally remember how happy I used to be ALL the time when I was a little kid. Now since I'm sort of shackled with all this worldliness, it's tough to stretch a genuine smile all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 (edited) Cmother that's the most amesome smiley ever! I totally agree. Freedom and happiness comes with simplicity - I personally remember how happy I used to be ALL the time when I was a little kid. Now since I'm sort of shackled with all this worldliness, it's tough to stretch a genuine smile all the time. THe quote is from the late Janis Joplin, thats why I used a guitar smiley. Edited February 7, 2004 by cmotherofpirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 Cmother that's the most amesome smiley ever! I totally agree. Freedom and happiness comes with simplicity - I personally remember how happy I used to be ALL the time when I was a little kid. Now since I'm sort of shackled with all this worldliness, it's tough to stretch a genuine smile all the time. THe quotwe is from the late Janis Joplin, thats why I used a guitar smiley. The song is Bobby McGee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 found a cool piece of work: "A lovely poem published on Boing Boing has a sad story attached. A handwritten copy was found in the car of Bagdhad CNN employee and blogger Duraid Isa Mohammed after the car came under attack and he and fellow CNN employee Yasser Khatab were killed." To laugh is to risk appearing the fool. To weep is to risk appearing sentimental. To reach out for another is risk involvement. To expose feelings is to risk exposing your true self. To place your ideas, your dreams, before a crowd Is to risk their loss. To love is to risk not being loved in return. To live is to risk dying. To hope is to risk despair. To try is to risk failure. But risks must be taken, because the greatest hazard in life is To risk nothing. The person who risks nothing dies nothing, Has nothing and is nothing. They say they avoid suffering and sorrow, But they cannot learn, Feel, change, grow, love, feel. Chained by their attitudes, they are slaves. They have forfeited their freedom. Only a person who risks is free. -- Anonymous I still think "I must decrease and He must Increase" says it all. :cyclops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 (edited) this is a interesting topic some interesting things being said i liked the movie showed how easily the flesh can interact with your life for the worst If the character would'a know'n Christ he would'a been abel to alter his whole life and jmjtina that was a very cool poem Edited February 7, 2004 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katt1227 Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 amesome poem. very true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now