Sisters Of Carmel

[goldenchild17]

maybe they will. Doesn't really matter to me either way. I'm sad that they left, but happy that they won't be around to confuse the faithful who attend our churches.

[Carmelitess]

During my search for a Carmelite contemplative community, I came across a website that had Calced Carmelite communities---not St. Teresa of Avila's Discalced Carmelites. Does anybody know if these Carmelites have papal approval?

Also, I heard that SSPX people don't acknowledge any pope who succeded Pope Pius X (so they don't think that Pope Benedict XVI is pope), and that that is why they were excommunicated. Is that true?

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='Carmelitess' post='1322947' date='Jul 10 2007, 02:05 PM']During my search for a Carmelite contemplative community, I came across a website that had Calced Carmelite communities---not St. Teresa of Avila's Discalced Carmelites. Does anybody know if these Carmelites have papal approval?

Also, I heard that SSPX people don't acknowledge any pope who succeded Pope Pius X (so they don't think that Pope Benedict XVI is pope), and that that is why they were excommunicated. Is that true?[/quote]
No, Sedevacantists such as myself believe that. SSPX is an entirely different deal. They accept all the popes, but don't listen to them regarding many issues. The leaders of that order are excommunicated for having gone along with ordinations of priests without the Vatican's approval. They reject a great deal of the theology that has come from the popes and from Vatican II but they accept them as valid popes.

[photosynthesis]

I saw this site, and I would assume they are not in communion with Rome. Usually traditionalist organizations (religious orders, indult parishes, etc) who are in communion with the Church are VERY VERY open with that fact for fear of coming off as schismatic or sedevacantist. The only American Carmelite order I know of that is in communion with the Church is Clear Creek Monastery in Wyoming, and that's for men. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Totus Tuus]

[quote name='photosynthesis' post='1324075' date='Jul 11 2007, 12:56 AM']I saw this site, and I would assume they are not in communion with Rome. Usually traditionalist organizations (religious orders, indult parishes, etc) who are in communion with the Church are VERY VERY open with that fact for fear of coming off as schismatic or sedevacantist. The only American Carmelite order I know of that is in communion with the Church is Clear Creek Monastery in Wyoming, and that's for men. Correct me if I'm wrong.[/quote]

Clear Creek is in Oklahoma, and they are Benedictines : But you are right about them being totally in union with Holy Mother Church.

[Chiquitunga]

[quote name='Carmelitess' post='1322947' date='Jul 10 2007, 01:05 PM']During my search for a Carmelite contemplative community, I came across a website that had Calced Carmelite communities---not St. Teresa of Avila's Discalced Carmelites. Does anybody know if these Carmelites have papal approval?[/quote]

Hey, Carmelitess - yeah, the Calced Carmelites are simply another order - definitely with papal approval and everything. : ) They are in the original Carmelite order. Then St. Teresa reformed the order, and the Discalced Carmelite Order became a separate order.

Here are a couple Calced Carmelites (Carmelites of the Ancient Observance) that are great at the IRL site - [url="http://religiouslife.com/vocsearch/search.phtml?view=d&my_id=31&criteria=d"]Coopersburg, PA[/url] & [url="http://religiouslife.com/vocsearch/search.phtml?view=d&my_id=53&criteria=d"]Wahpeton, ND[/url]

[Carmelitess]

[quote name='Margaret Clare' post='1326302' date='Jul 12 2007, 10:14 PM']Hey, Carmelitess - yeah, the Calced Carmelites are simply another order - definitely with papal approval and everything. : ) They are in the original Carmelite order. Then St. Teresa reformed the order, and the Discalced Carmelite Order became a separate order.

Here are a couple Calced Carmelites (Carmelites of the Ancient Observance) that are great at the IRL site - [url="http://religiouslife.com/vocsearch/search.phtml?view=d&my_id=31&criteria=d"]Coopersburg, PA[/url] & [url="http://religiouslife.com/vocsearch/search.phtml?view=d&my_id=53&criteria=d"]Wahpeton, ND[/url][/quote]

Hey, Margaret Clare!

Thanks for the clarification. When I first saw the Calced Carmelites, I thought that they might not be as good as Discalced Carmelites. Now, from what you said, it seems that they're a legitimate separate order. I think that when we learn about Carmel, all we hear about is St. Teresa's reformed Carmel, and we assume that God doesn't/didn't smile down upon the original Carmelites. Well, at least that was my experience.

By the way, if you're interested, on www.ocarm.org seems to be the ocd.pcn.net of the Calced Carmelite order. On there I found a list of all of the Calced Carmelite monasteries and convents in the world.

God bless!

~Margaret