"Summorum Pontificum"

[Resurrexi]

[i][b]TE DEUM LAUDAMUS![/b][/i][u][/u]

[KnightofChrist]

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[Aloysius]

There are no words. Artical 2 + Artical 4 + Artical 5 § 2 = me attending DAILY LATIN MASS at school. I am totally psyched.

So... as I understand it... only the real legal stuff dealing with ordinaries and communities and parishes needs to wait till September 14. It says that it may be said, that it was NEVER ABROGATED, so it seems to me as if Artical 2 and Artical 4 can be applied post haste, as it is basically saying that this theoretically should have been possible all along, right?

[cappie]

[i][b]In conclusion, dear Brothers, I very much wish to stress that these new norms do not in any way lessen your own authority and responsibility, either for the liturgy or for the pastoral care of your faithful. Each Bishop, in fact, is the moderator of the liturgy in his own Diocese (cf. Sacrosanctum Concilium, 22: "Sacrae Liturgiae moderatio ab Ecclesiae auctoritate unice pendet quae quidem est apud Apostolicam Sedem et, ad normam iuris, apud Episcopum").

Nothing is taken away, then, from the authority of the Bishop, whose role remains that of being watchful that all is done in peace and serenity. Should some problem arise which the parish priest cannot resolve, the local Ordinary will always be able to intervene, in full harmony, however, with all that has been laid down by the new norms of the Motu Proprio.[/b][/i]

[cappie]

EXPLANATORY NOTE ON MOTU PROPRIO "SUMMORUM PONTIFICUM"



VATICAN CITY, JUL 7, 2007 (VIS) - The Holy See Press Office today issued an explanatory note concerning the Motu Proprio "Summorum Pontificum". The most important paragraphs of the note are given below:

"The Motu Proprio 'Summorum Pontificum' lays down new rules for the use of the Roman liturgy that preceded the reform of 1970. The reasons for such provisions are clearly explained in the Holy Father's letter to bishops which accompanies the Motu Proprio (the two documents have been sent to all the presidents of episcopal conferences and to all nuncios, who have arranged to distribute them to all bishops).

"The fundamental provision is as follows: the Roman liturgy will have two forms ('usus'):

"a) The ordinary form is the one that follows the liturgical reform undertaken by Pope Paul VI in the year 1970, as it appears in the liturgical books promulgated at that time. There is an official edition in Latin which may be used always and everywhere, and translations in divers languages published by the various episcopal conferences.

"b) The extraordinary form: which is that celebrated in accordance with the liturgical books published by Blessed Pope John XXIII in 1962."

In paragraph 8 the note reads: "The bishop of a particular place may erect a personal parish, wherever there is to be found a very substantial number of faithful who wish to follow the earlier liturgy. It would be appropriate for the numbers of faithful to be substantial, even if not comparable to those of other parishes."

The explanatory note also highlights some of the characteristics of the 1962 Missal:

"It is a 'complete' or 'integral' Missal in the Latin language, that is, it also contains the readings for the celebrations (it is not distinct from the 'Lectionary' as the later 1970 Missal is).

"It contains just one Eucharistic prayer, the 'Roman Canon' (corresponding to the first Eucharist Prayer of the later Missal, which includes a choice of various Eucharistic Prayers).

"Various prayers (including a large part of the Canon) are recited by the priest in a low voice inaudible to the people.

"Other differences include the reading of the beginning of the Gospel of John at the end of Mass.

"The 1962 Missal does not provide for concelebration. It says nothing concerning the direction of the altar or of the celebrant (whether facing the people or not).

"The Pope's Letter envisages the possibility of future enrichment of the 1962 Missal (inclusion of new saints, new prefaces, etc.)."

OP/MOTU PROPRIO/SUMMORUM PONTIFICUM VIS 070707 (430)

[Ora et Labora]

[url="http://www.usccb.org/liturgy/bclnewsletterjune07.pdf"]http://www.usccb.org/liturgy/bclnewsletterjune07.pdf[/url]

[Era Might]

I just read it. I am officially excited!

A few things that are unclear to me on the first read:

[quote]Celebration according to the Missal of Blessed John XXIII can take place on weekdays, while on Sundays and on feast days there may be one such celebration.[/quote]
Does this mean that on Sundays there can only be one celebration, but on weekdays more than one?

Also:

[quote]In Masses celebrated without the people, any priest of Latin rite, whether secular or religious, can
use the Roman Missal published by Pope Blessed John XXIII in 1962 or the Roman Missal promulgated
by the Supreme Pontiff Paul VI in 1970, on any day except in the Sacred Triduum.

...

With due observance of law, even Christ's faithful who spontaneously request it, may be admitted to celebrations of Holy Mass mentioned in art. 2 above.[/quote]
What distinguishes a Mass without the people from a Mass with the people if the people may be admitted? Can this be a normal weekday Mass where it is expected that the people will come? He says it needs to be spontaenously requested, so I'm not sure if this can be a regular scheduled Mass. That would be a moot question anyway if the Pastor schedules a Mass according to the older Missal, which he is allowed to do if there is a stable group that desires it:

[quote]In parishes where a group of faithful attached to the previous liturgical tradition exists stably, let the pastor willingly accede to their requests for the celebration of the Holy Mass according to the rite of the Roman Missal published in 1962. Let him see to it that the good of these faithful be harmoniously reconciled with ordinary pastoral care of the parish, under the governance of the Bishop according to canon 392, avoiding discord and fostering the unity of the whole Church.[/quote]

[HeavenlyCalling]

I am so happy!!!! Viva il Papa!!!!!

[brendan1104]

Te Deum laudamus: te Dominum confitemur.
Te aeternum Patrem omnis terra veneratur.
Tibi omnes Angeli; tibi caeli et universae Potestates;
Tibi Cherubim et Seraphim incessabili voce proclamant:
Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus, Dominus Deus Sabaoth.
Pleni sunt caeli et terra maiestatis gloriae tuae.
Te gloriosus Apostolorum chorus,
Te Prophetarum laudabilis numerus,
Te Martyrum candidatus laudat exercitus.
Te per orbem terrarum sancta confitetur Ecclesia,
Patrem immensae maiestatis:
Venerandum tuum verum et unicum Filium;
Sanctum quoque Paraclitum Spiritum.
Tu Rex gloriae, Christe.
Tu Patris sempiternus es Filius.
Tu ad liberandum suscepturus hominem, non horruisti Virginis uterum.
Tu, devicto mortis aculeo, aperuisti credentibus regna caelorum.
Tu ad dexteram Dei sedes, in gloria Patris.
Iudex crederis esse venturus.
Te ergo quaesumus, tuis famulis subveni: quos pretioso sanguine redemisti.
Aeterna fac cum sanctis tuis in gloria numerari.

V. Salvum fac populum tuum, Domine, et benedic hereditati tuae.
R. Et rege eos, et extolle illos usque in aeternum.

V. Per singulos dies benedicimus te.
R. Et laudamus nomen tuum in saeculum, et in saeculum saeculi.

V. Dignare, Domine, die isto sine peccato nos custodire.
R. Miserere nostri, Domine, miserere nostri.

V. Fiat misericordia tua, Domine, super nos, quemadmodum speravimus in te.
R. In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.

[Pio Nono]

JMJ
7/7 - Thirteenth Saturday

I'm confused by the thing about the Lectionaries. Is it saying that the priest can read the readings in the vernacular at the Tridentine Liturgy? I know they read them in the vernacular right before the homily, but would this change it to taking the place of the normal, Latin readings?

[KnightofChrist]

[center][size=4][b]Long Live Pope Benedict The Great!
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[Romans1513]

[quote name='cappie' post='1315022' date='Jul 6 2007, 04:25 AM']* And, most crucially, while bishops are “earnestly requested to grant [the] desire” for public celebrations expressed by the extraordinary use's devotees, recourse to the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei is foreseen in cases of “a Bishop who desires to make provision for requests of lay faithful of this kind, but is for various reasons prevented from doing so.” The indult-overseeing body is to respond with its “advice and help.”[/quote]

Yes, I read the caveats the first time, I was hoping for an expalanation or something. Maybe I'm just missing it. I'm confused by the one I quoted above I guess- makes it seem like the bishop's permission is still needed?

[Marieteresa]

Does anyone know when it will take affect? Do most priests even know how to say TLM?

[bonoducchi]

[quote name='Marieteresa' post='1316536' date='Jul 7 2007, 11:06 AM']Does anyone know when it will take affect? Do most priests even know how to say TLM?[/quote]
This will take effect September 14, the Triumph of the Holy Cross.

Most priests do not know how to worthily celebrate the Old Missal; consequently, requests for the celebration of the Old Rite may still be licitly denied if no worthy minister is available. If there is no one to celebrate the rite, then the Ordinary is charged with making provision for the requests, seeking assistance from Ecclasiae Dei, if neccesary.

[mortify]

Wonderful

Still, we must hope that the liturgy is done properly, or else we might get a clown performing the Tridentine mass.

Much more work remains to be done!

Edited July 7, 2007 by mortify