tojo Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 If it were really the last Catholic church on Earth, I would go there no matter what the mass or building was like, so long as it was valid. Because when there really is no other choice, Jesus in an ugly building with abuses is way better than no Jesus. Needless to say, I'm very happy I have more choices than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Why not push for mass outdoors? I would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 [quote name='tomasio127' post='1320475' date='Jul 9 2007, 11:43 AM']Needless to say, I'm very happy I have more choices than that.[/quote] Ditto! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 I just came across this on a blog and it reminded me of this thread. [i]"As a Protestant who has been looking more into Catholic teachings I find myself puzzled by Cardinal Mahoney. He seems to have strayed intentionally far from Catholic teachings on many issues and what I read of his liturgical celebrations smacks of nothing more than ‘entertainmnet’. He seems to me to be a Protestant of the sort that thinks that a Sunday ‘show’ is necessary to get people into the church."[/i] Even the Protestants are scandalized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Another interesting tid bit. [i]“I do not know how many of you have ever seen a Pontifical High Mass, but if so, and if it was celebrated according to the full rubrics, you will have seen, at the beginning, that the pontiff is vested at the throne. It is a little lengthy procedure, but I am always astonished how fascinated everyone is to see that the human being who comes into the chapel or church is slowly changed by Holy Mother Church into the sovereign high priest and the representative of Christ … If you assist at a beautifully celebrated Solemn High Mass you will come out a changed person because you will have seen the reality of the Church. You will have seen that she is still the beautiful queen. You will have seen that she is still the powerful queen of angels and saints. And you understand why the Church teaches that at these Masses, and at every Mass, the whole heavenly court is present, in gradations, in hierarchies, in the hierarchies of the angels and of the saints that lead to the culminating point -- to the revelation of the Holy Trinity in the presence of Christ. ... And we cannot be astonished if lay people do not approach a bishop with a notion of his hierarchical station if he is not presented to them as the sovereign high priest during the liturgy.”[/i] [url="http://www.institute-christ-king.org/ResourcesHome/MsgrSchmitzRenewalLiturgy.htm"]http://www.institute-christ-king.org/Resou...ewalLiturgy.htm[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted July 10, 2007 Author Share Posted July 10, 2007 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1322207' date='Jul 10 2007, 06:27 AM']I just came across this on a blog and it reminded me of this thread. [i]"As a Protestant who has been looking more into Catholic teachings I find myself puzzled by Cardinal Mahoney. He seems to have strayed intentionally far from Catholic teachings on many issues and what I read of his liturgical celebrations smacks of nothing more than ‘entertainmnet’. He seems to me to be a Protestant of the sort that thinks that a Sunday ‘show’ is necessary to get people into the church."[/i] Even the Protestants are scandalized. [/quote] not to mention all the many Catholics that are scandalized and then you have all the Catholics that are championing him. he will have to answer someday for the souls he has lead astray by his actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 [quote name='Lil Red' post='1322543' date='Jul 10 2007, 11:09 AM']not to mention all the many Catholics that are scandalized and then you have all the Catholics that are championing him. he will have to answer someday for the souls he has lead astray by his actions.[/quote] People champion him? I guess I've been reading the wrong--err, actually the right, websites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelF Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/09-02-06-ThorncrownChapel1.jpg/250px-09-02-06-ThorncrownChapel1.jpg[/img] Larger: [url="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/09-02-06-ThorncrownChapel1.jpg/800px-09-02-06-ThorncrownChapel1.jpg"]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/t...rownChapel1.jpg[/url] Thorncrown chapel, Eureka Springs, Arkansas. Nondenominational, IIRC. Just for comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 Red asked, "Do Bishops let Churches be ugly?" The answer is yes. Why? Because Catholicism was beige for a while and many thought they had a blank check to do what ever they wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adt6247 Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 In response to: [quote name='gamesfanatic04' post='1310974' date='Jul 3 2007, 01:28 PM']The problem is gly is such a subjective term. I think my own church is quite beautiful but when a close frined who attends Mass at the Cathedral visted me his exact words were "Wow, Father Time really took a bat to this place"[/quote] and: [quote name='prose' post='1311144' date='Jul 3 2007, 03:02 PM']Whose taste decide what is beautiful? I love old traditional churches, but what about someone who feels modern architecture is more beautiful??[/quote] True beauty is transcendent, not a mere matter of taste. If something is beautiful, that which is beautiful about the thing is that which presents an image of God's beauty. It is possible for you to think an ugly thing is beautiful. If this is the case, your taste is disordered. If you find beauty in sin (the sin itself, not the result of sin), then you are disordered. Finally, a church should look Catholic. A Catholic church built for celebration of the Roman rite should frankly look European, or at least have European influence in its design. The liturgy should reflect western culture. Even if a church were to be objectively beautiful, if it looked nothing like what our western aesthetic sense tells us it should, that's a bad, bad thing. I do not understand why the liberals in the church want to divorce us from all the art, architecture, music, and beauty that we have accumulated over the ages. These are the church's treasures. They should be celebrated, not thrown away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 [url="http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/"]http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 [quote name='dUSt' post='1324549' date='Jul 11 2007, 03:07 PM'][url="http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/"]http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/[/url][/quote] Cardinal Mahoney must love that place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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