Pio Nono Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 JMJ 7/1 - Thirteenth Sunday Here's the [i]Pater Noster[/i] and the [i]Ave Maria[/i] in Sicilian...this is also nice, but a little guttural for me... [quote]Patri nostru, ca siti ntrô celu, santificatu fussi lu Vostru nomu. Viatu vinissi lu Vostru regnu. Fatta fussi la Vostra Vuluntati comu ntrô celu accussì ntra terra. Dàtini sta jurnata lu nostru panuzzu, e pirdunàtini li nostri piccati accussì comu nuiàtri li pirdunemu ê nostri nìmici. E nun lassàtini cascari ntrâ tintazzioni, ma scanzàtini dû mali. Amen.[/quote] [quote]Ave Maria, cchina di grazia, 'u Signuri è ccu tia. Tu si benedeta fra li mugghièri e benedeto è 'u frutu d'u to ventri, Gesù. Santa Maria, Matri di Diu, prega ppi niàutri ppiccaturi , ora e 'nta l'ura d'a nostra morti. Amen.[/quote] If anyone could find the [i]Minor Doxology[/i]([i]Glory be[/i]), [i]Apostles' Creed[/i], and [i]Hail, Holy Queen[/i] in Sicilian, I'd like to try my Rosary a few times in that language. : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maria Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 [quote name='Lil Red' post='1307285' date='Jun 30 2007, 11:21 PM']i'm guessing Thomas Aquinas College?[/quote] Yup. My brother just graduated from there, and my parents, one of my little sisters and I went down. It's a lovely place, and now I think I might want to go. [quote name='StColette' post='1307295' date='Jun 30 2007, 11:24 PM']Hmm I've never noticed that it messes up the rhythm. *says Hail Mary to herself in French* Nope I don't think it does.[/quote] I know what you mean. But I have memories of stumbling over the words around there, and I think it was because of the rhythm. [quote name='geetarplayer' post='1307418' date='Jul 1 2007, 12:56 AM']I'm learning how to [i]chant[/i] in Latin. Eh? Eh? I can probably say the Hail Mary in Latin, and I'm learning how to say the Lord's Prayer. Oh! I can say them both in Spanish. Eh? : -Mark[/quote] I've taught myself the O Salutaris (which included using [url="http://lysy2.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/words.exe"]Words[/url] so that I could understand it and remember the lyrics), and I've got most of Adoramus Te memorized. We chant the Pater Noster with some regularity at diocesan events. Cardinal Turcotte used to tell us to pray it in our own language, but then he'd start praying it in French and everyone would follow along (so it wouldn't be a mess of noise or so that you don't have to concentrate so hard, trying to go against the flow). Now we generally chant it in Latin. It works a lot better. I can say the Ave, but I'm pretty sure I get some endings wrong. Sometimes when I pray the rosary I rotate languages: English, French, Latin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 2, 2007 Author Share Posted July 2, 2007 [quote name='Maria' post='1307832' date='Jul 1 2007, 12:00 PM']Yup. My brother just graduated from there, and my parents, one of my little sisters and I went down. It's a lovely place, and now I think I might want to go. I know what you mean. But I have memories of stumbling over the words around there, and I think it was because of the rhythm. I've taught myself the O Salutaris (which included using [url="http://lysy2.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/words.exe"]Words[/url] so that I could understand it and remember the lyrics), and I've got most of Adoramus Te memorized. We chant the Pater Noster with some regularity at diocesan events. Cardinal Turcotte used to tell us to pray it in our own language, but then he'd start praying it in French and everyone would follow along (so it wouldn't be a mess of noise or so that you don't have to concentrate so hard, trying to go against the flow). Now we generally chant it in Latin. It works a lot better. I can say the Ave, but I'm pretty sure I get some endings wrong. Sometimes when I pray the rosary I rotate languages: English, French, Latin.[/quote] Whitaker's Words is so phat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melporcristo Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 [quote name='jiyoung' post='1307658' date='Jul 1 2007, 03:18 AM']For myself, I like to go to Mass in Latin and chant in Latin and all, but when it comes to me praying by myself, it really depends--sometimes I like to say the Ave in Latin, but most of the time I'll say memorized prayers in English because I usually don't have them memorized in Latin. I also sometimes like to say the prayers slowly and sort of "savor" each word, and it's harder for me to do that in Latin because, as much as I love it, I don't speak it fluently nor understand each word. English is the language I think in, even though Korean is my first language, so English is usually the language I pray in. But one of my favorite things that I did with the Carmelites on a come and see a year or two ago was pray the rosary together in Latin.[/quote] oh I love your responses because they are exactly how you would speak! Is it true one gets a plenary indulgence when they pray the rosary in a different language then their own? An amazing priest, Fr. Jorge, from Columbia, said some of the Mass parts in Latin. Sadly, he was sent away to another parish. Could the diocese kick a priest out just because of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 2, 2007 Author Share Posted July 2, 2007 [quote name='melporcristo' post='1308612' date='Jul 1 2007, 08:58 PM']oh I love your responses because they are exactly how you would speak! Is it true one gets a plenary indulgence when they pray the rosary in a different language then their own? An amazing priest, Fr. Jorge, from Columbia, said some of the Mass parts in Latin. Sadly, he was sent away to another parish. Could the diocese kick a priest out just because of this?[/quote] No. Not if it's the Missa Normativa... that is... until Saturday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pio Nono Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 JMJ 7/2 - Thirteenth Monday I'll just keep bringing this up until someone does it. It's my "Carthago delenda est". Will someone make a Phatmass smiley wearing a black biretta? [b]o{][/b]:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonoducchi Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 [quote name='Pio Nono' post='1306477' date='Jun 30 2007, 10:50 AM']I pretty much enjoy praying in any language EXCEPT English. And German. They're ugly languages.[/quote] You must not be a fan of Mozart's operas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonoducchi Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 (edited) Double post Edited July 2, 2007 by VaticanIILiturgist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 [quote name='Pio Nono' post='1306477' date='Jun 30 2007, 09:50 AM']I pretty much enjoy praying in any language EXCEPT English. And German. They're ugly languages.[/quote] Yay! A kindred spirit. I often experience resentment at being a native English speaker (I call it the bastard tongue) as it is a constant reminder of the rape and suppression of my ancestral culture and people at the hands of certain English speaking tyrants. Then there is the objective brutishness of the language. It just smells illegitimate. There was a time when I was considering forever renouncing English, but of course this would not work in my situation for obvious practical reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totus Tuus Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 I have I have -- forgive my ignorance, but what do you mean by "ordinary" and "extraordinary"? I got to the TLM every Sunday - does that merit one of the terms? I have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totus Tuus Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Pio Nono' post='1309184' date='Jul 2 2007, 08:53 AM']JMJ 7/2 - Thirteenth Monday I'll just keep bringing this up until someone does it. It's my "Carthago delenda est". Will someone make a Phatmass smiley wearing a black biretta? [b]o{][/b]:-)[/quote] What is "Carthago delenda est"? If you don't have that biretta by the end of the day... well, I just think you will. Edited July 2, 2007 by Totus Tuus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 [quote name='Totus Tuus' post='1309601' date='Jul 2 2007, 03:24 PM']What is "Carthago delenda est"?[/quote] Carthage must be destroyed. An expression of vengeance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamesfanatic04 Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Cicero put it at the end of every speech, even if it was super off topic no matter what. Because he was cool like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 4, 2007 Author Share Posted July 4, 2007 [quote]have I have -- forgive my ignorance, but what do you mean by "ordinary" and "extraordinary"? I got to the TLM every Sunday - does that merit one of the terms? I have[/quote] The "ordinary" form of the Latin Rite is the New Liturgy. The "extraordinary" form of the Latin Rite is the Classical Roman Liturgy. [quote]I often experience resentment at being a native English speaker (I call it the bastard tongue) as it is a constant reminder of the rape and suppression of my ancestral culture and people at the hands of certain English speaking tyrants. Then there is the objective brutishness of the language. It just smells illegitimate. There was a time when I was considering forever renouncing English, but of course this would not work in my situation for obvious practical reasons.[/quote] And who might these ancestors be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelF Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 [quote name='gamesfanatic04' post='1309660' date='Jul 2 2007, 04:59 PM']Cicero put it at the end of every speech[/quote] Cato the Elder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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