Unbelieveable: Catholic Bishops Defend Human-animal Hybrids

[Kirisutodo333]

[quote name='Budge' post='1302366' date='Jun 26 2007, 05:33 PM']I should have been clearer.

These things are made by NEPHILIM-combo of fallen angels and man...

combining animal and man

They are

Rephahim

They do not have souls!

Isaiah...

14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

17:5 And it shall be as when the harvestman gathereth the corn, and reapeth the ears with his arm; and it shall be as he that gathereth ears [u][b]in the valley of Rephaim.[/b][/u]
[b]
26:14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.

26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.[/b]
[url="http://www.bibleufo.com/giants2.htm"]LINK[/url]

"As in the days of Noah"

Thats where we are going.[/quote]

careful now. a lot of scholars would disagree that the "sons of god" are not fallen angels.

check this link out. [url="http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/nephilim.pdf"]http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/nephilim.pdf[/url]

but getting back to the other stuff. so then they're more like wanna-be Nephilim or "acting" like Nephilim by creating Chimeras. Let's not label them as Nephilim. they don't deserve to be. the act of creating a chimera does not make one a Nephilim.

[Kirisutodo333]

[quote name='Budge' post='1302366' date='Jun 26 2007, 05:33 PM']I should have been clearer.

These things are made by NEPHILIM-combo of fallen angels and man...

combining animal and man

They are

Rephahim

They do not have souls!

Isaiah...

14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

17:5 And it shall be as when the harvestman gathereth the corn, and reapeth the ears with his arm; and it shall be as he that gathereth ears [u][b]in the valley of Rephaim.[/b][/u]
[b]
26:14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.

26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.[/b]
[url="http://www.bibleufo.com/giants2.htm"]LINK[/url]

"As in the days of Noah"

Thats where we are going.[/quote]


Sorry...i meant "agree" not "disagree"

paz

[Budge]

Dont fall for that Sethite explanation they know teach in most seminaries.

The Bible is to be believed.

The shame is Catholics generally as a whole are Amillenialists, so they continually get prophecy wrong, a literal dispensationalist reading is what makes any sense of what is happening and squares it with scripture.

You need to understand the massive importance of a strange passage in Genesis, Gen 6:4 and what was going on, THEN, and now.

When you do, you can understand why these very strange things of our times and world, and fit them seamlessly into scripture.

Then the "Watchers" { fallen angels } were messing around with genetic manipulation, both with women, producing Nephilim, who in turn produced Gibborim, and with Chimera's.

All you have to do, is to look at ALL THE ART showing human/animal beings back then, to know that in some distant pre-flood past, this actually happened, and it is the seminal genetic memory passed along by Noah and his Sons, post dispersion around the world after the Tower of Bab-El, that you have memorialized.

Jesus said then, "[b]AS IT WAS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH....SO SHALL IT BE.."[/b]

And pointed to the end of time when the Tribulation was going to be birthed from "pangs, to reality"

Your bishops dont have a clue.

[url="http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/05_Genetic/050126.animal-human.html"]http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/05_G...imal-human.html[/url]

Edited June 27, 2007 by Budge

[Socrates]

[quote name='Budge' post='1302096' date='Jun 26 2007, 10:46 AM']Well thanks for the links,

From Vatican
From Vancouver bishops:
I still find these statements while good they exist to be rather understated...monkeying with this stuff is not only against human dignity but against God, and blasphemy against HIm. I do not see the Biblical content either. Also the Nephilim angle is ignored.

These bishops on the original post are still wrong to defend chimeras as human life.[/quote]
Oh, the Vatican is evil because because when it condemns making human-animal "chimeras," it fails to mention the Nephilim!
Of course . . .

And from the post you originally quoted:[quote]The bishops, who believe that life begins at conception,[b]said that they opposed the creation of any embryo solely for research[/b], but they were also anxious to limit the destruction of such life once it had been brought into existence.[/quote]
If you think the Church promotes the creation of "chimeras," you obviously have a serious reading comprehension problem.

The Church is firmly against such experiments, but is against killing human life already conceived. (And a human being that has been genetically altered is still a human being.)

[Socrates]

[quote name='Budge' post='1302489' date='Jun 26 2007, 06:53 PM']Then the "Watchers" { fallen angels } were messing around with genetic manipulation, both with women, producing Nephilim, who in turn produced Gibborim, and with Chimera's.[/quote]
So where in the Bible does it speak of "genetic manipulation" and human-animal "chimeras"?

It always cracks me up how Budge rejects the entire record of the first centuries of the Church as the work of "early deceivers," yet is incredibly quick to swallow all kinds of 20th/21st-century hokum concerning "biblical interpretation."

[quote]For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine, but, following their own desires, will surround themselves with teachers who tickle their ears. They will stop listening to the truth and will wander off to fables.[/quote](2 Tim. 4:3-4)

[cathoholic]

[font="Century Gothic"]Let's keep praying[/font]

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='cathoholic' post='1302506' date='Jun 26 2007, 09:32 PM'][font="Century Gothic"]Let's keep praying[/font][/quote]

Most wise plan.

[jckinsman]

[quote name='Budge' post='1302489' date='Jun 26 2007, 07:53 PM']Dont fall for that Sethite explanation they know teach in most seminaries.

The Bible is to be believed.

The shame is Catholics generally as a whole are Amillenialists, so they continually get prophecy wrong, a literal dispensationalist reading is what makes any sense of what is happening and squares it with scripture.

You need to understand the massive importance of a strange passage in Genesis, Gen 6:4 and what was going on, THEN, and now.

When you do, you can understand why these very strange things of our times and world, and fit them seamlessly into scripture.

Then the "Watchers" { fallen angels } were messing around with genetic manipulation, both with women, producing Nephilim, who in turn produced Gibborim, and with Chimera's.

All you have to do, is to look at ALL THE ART showing human/animal beings back then, to know that in some distant pre-flood past, this actually happened, and it is the seminal genetic memory passed along by Noah and his Sons, post dispersion around the world after the Tower of Bab-El, that you have memorialized.

Jesus said then, "[b]AS IT WAS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH....SO SHALL IT BE.."[/b]

And pointed to the end of time when the Tribulation was going to be birthed from "pangs, to reality"

Your bishops dont have a clue.

[url="http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/05_Genetic/050126.animal-human.html"]http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/05_G...imal-human.html[/url][/quote] I'm so thankful after 2000+ years that someone got it right! It's about time! If it wasn't for the protestants where would WE catholics be? Maybe even funding a post world tower of Babel,...once again,eh?...........this is totally amazing to me!

[abercius24]

I would warn posters here to avoid some of the language and references being used by others. "Chimera" is a language-ploy geared to help people see these embryos as less than human -- monsterous at best. The same people that put out this language are the same who refer to a baby in the womb as a "fetus." The embryos spoken of here are very young human beings, conceived from human egg and sperm, later genetically altered with animal DNA. Imagine using similar references for the homeless people who have had scientific experiments performed on them. Should we call a homeless man "a Cyborg" after he has had his arm cut off and replaced with a prosthetic limb? These are human beings who have been severely abused by society. Let's not disrespect them further.

As well, to tie these embryos to the Nephalim in the Bible is to participate in pseudo-biblical hyper-drama. People who would do so may commit the same sin as Nimrod at the Tower of Babel -- they seek to make a name for themselves apart from God. This seems to be a very popular thing these days with false "religious" leaders who make a ton of money selling books and speaking engagements about anything that can scare our money into their pockets. We live in troubled times, no doubt, but to blow these things out of proportion is only to confuse the issues. It may be fun to get everyone frightened and hysterical, but we'll end up with no credibility when it comes time for each of us to speak out against these atrocities. Let's start with good solid reasoning and work from there.

[abercius24]

Deleting duplicate post...

Edited June 27, 2007 by abercius24

[philosophette]

[quote name='abercius24' post='1303010' date='Jun 27 2007, 02:00 AM']I would warn posters here to avoid some of the language and references being used by others. "Chimera" is a language-ploy geared to help people see these embryos as less than human -- monsterous at best. The same people that put out this language are the same who refer to a baby in the womb as a "fetus." The embryos spoken of here are very young human beings, conceived from human egg and sperm, later genetically altered with animal DNA. Imagine using similar references for the homeless people who have had scientific experiments performed on them. Should we call a homeless man "a Cyborg" after he has had his arm cut off and replaced with a prosthetic limb? These are human beings who have been severely abused by society. Let's not disrespect them further.

As well, to tie these embryos to the Nephalim in the Bible is to participate in pseudo-biblical hyper-drama. People who would do so may commit the same sin as Nimrod at the Tower of Babel -- they seek to make a name for themselves apart from God. This seems to be a very popular thing these days with false "religious" leaders who make a ton of money selling books and speaking engagements about anything that can scare our money into their pockets. We live in troubled times, no doubt, but to blow these things out of proportion is only to confuse the issues. It may be fun to get everyone frightened and hysterical, but we'll end up with no credibility when it comes time for each of us to speak out against these atrocities. Let's start with good solid reasoning and work from there.[/quote]


Bravo!

[Budge]

[quote name='jckinsman' post='1302977' date='Jun 27 2007, 12:00 AM'] I'm so thankful after 2000+ years that someone got it right! It's about time! If it wasn't for the protestants where would WE catholics be?[b] Maybe even funding a post world tower of Babel,...once again,eh?.[/b]..........this is totally amazing to me! [/quote]

What do you call this?
[quote]
Date: 2004-02-11

Violation of International Law Leads to Anarchy, Cardinal Martino Warns

Says Nations Must Be Willing to Cede Some Power in Deference to U.N.

TRANI, Italy, FEB. 11, 2004 (Zenit.org).- Wary of the law of force, Cardinal Renato Martino warned that "the violation of international law plunges everyone into a condition of anarchy and profound illegality."

Cardinal Martino, president of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, expressed this conviction last weekend when addressing a Congress of Catholic Jurists, being held here on the theme "Peace and International Law."
[u][b]
Referring to the main points in John Paul II's message for the 2004 World Day of Peace, Cardinal Martino emphasized the irreplaceable function of international law in the defense of peace itself.

The cardinal said that the growth of such law requires that states be willing to cede ever-larger shares of their sovereignty to achieve security and the universal common good.
[/b][/u]
It is the task of international law to avoid the dominance of the law of the strongest or the wealthiest, and to substitute the law of force with the force of law, said the cardinal who for 16 years was the Holy See's permanent observer to the United Nations.

He cautioned that the violation of international law could have lasting negative repercussions.

Cardinal Martino contended that the prohibition of the use of force, except for cases authorized by the U.N. Security Council and established in the U.N. Charter, is an obligatory rule of the international order. He echoed a contention of the Pope, that war is always a defeat of humanity.

the United Nations "is the most important instrument of synthesis and coordination of international life," Cardinal Martino said. For the United Nations to carry out its function, states must give up unilateral actions that undermine its strength and contravene the principles of its Charter, he continued.[/quote]

[Budge]

[quote]I would warn posters here to avoid some of the language and references being used by others. "Chimera" is a language-ploy geared to help people see these embryos as less than human -- monsterous at best. The same people that put out this language are the same who refer to a baby in the womb as a "fetus." The embryos spoken of here are very young human beings, conceived from human egg and sperm, later genetically altered with animal DNA. Imagine using similar references for the homeless people who have had scientific experiments performed on them. Should we call a homeless man "a Cyborg" after he has had his arm cut off and replaced with a prosthetic limb? These are human beings who have been severely abused by society. Let's not disrespect them further.
[/quote]You have got to be kidding me.

These are not INTACT embryos.

Parts are taken from embryos and parts from animal embryos to make a new "whole", at that point the human embryo is already "destroyed"

"Ye shall be as gods" is the underpinning to all of this....

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism[/url]

{A fully human man with a prosethic or anyone else with a disfiguring disease, or condition has nothing to do with this}

[quote]
As well, to tie these embryos to the Nephalim in the Bible is to participate in pseudo-biblical hyper-drama.[/quote]

No its for those of us who realize the deep evil behind this and who believe the Word of God.

[quote]


People who would do so may commit the same sin as Nimrod at the Tower of Babel -- they seek to make a name for themselves apart from God[/quote].

No thats the transhumanists who in the link above state...
[quote]
Transhumanism (sometimes abbreviated >H or H+) is an international intellectual and cultural movement supporting the use of new sciences and technologies to enhance human mental and physical abilities and aptitudes, and ameliorate what it regards as undesirable and unnecessary aspects of the human condition, such as stupidity, suffering, disease, aging and involuntary death. Transhumanist thinkers study the possibilities and consequences of developing and using human enhancement techniques and other emerging technologies for these purposes. Possible dangers, as well as benefits, of powerful new technologies that might radically change the conditions of human life are also of concern to the transhumanist movement.[1]

Although the first known use of the term "transhumanism" dates from 1957, the contemporary meaning is a product of the 1980s, when a group of scientists, artists, and futurists based in the United States began to organize what has since grown into the transhumanist movement. [b]Transhumanist thinkers postulate that human beings will eventually be transformed into beings with such greatly expanded abilities as to merit the label "posthuman."[/b][1][/quote]
[quote]. We live in troubled times, no doubt, but to blow these things out of proportion is only to confuse the issues. It may be fun to get everyone frightened and hysterical, but we'll end up with no credibility when it comes time for each of us to speak out against these atrocities. Let's start with good solid reasoning and work from there.[/quote]

It is interesting to me how Catholics always want everything understated including great evils like this.

Edited June 27, 2007 by Budge

[cmotherofpirl]

And its always interesting how you run around proclaiming the sky is falling, like evil is something new.

[Budge]

cmother why dont you just write instead.

"I do not care" because that is what you mean isnt it?

Otherwise why be upset?

Ive gotten that Catholic response more times then I can count. I suppose in American society to think about hard issues isnt too popular, theres shopping and house decorating to be done.