Unbelieveable: Catholic Bishops Defend Human-animal Hybrids

[Budge]

[b] This stuff alone is enough for God to end this world right now.[/b]

The Nephilim by the way LOVE this stuff.

[quote] Chimera embryos have right to life, say bishops

By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent
Last Updated: 1:01pm BST 26/06/2007

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# Embryonic stem cells explained

Human-animal hybrid embryos conceived in the laboratory - so-called “chimeras” - should be regarded as human and their mothers should be allowed to give birth to them, the Roman Catholic Church said yesterday.

Under draft Government legislation to be debated by Parliament later this year, scientists will be given permission for the first time to create such embryos for research as long as they destroy them within two weeks.
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But the Catholic bishops of England and Wales, in a submission to the Parliamentary joint committee scrutinising the draft legislation, said that the genetic mothers of “chimeras” should be able to raise them as their own children if they wished.

The bishops said that they did not see why these “interspecies” embryos should be treated any differently than others.

The wide-ranging draft Human Tissue and Embryo Bill, which aims to overhaul the laws on fertility treatment, will include sections on test tube babies, embryo research and abortion. Ministers say that the creation of animal-human embryos - created by injecting animal cells or DNA into human embryos or human cells into animal eggs - will be heavily regulated.

They insist that it will be against the law to implant “chimeras” - named after the mythical creature that was half man and half animal - into a woman’s womb.

The bishops, who believe that life begins at conception, said that they opposed the creation of any embryo solely for research, but they were also anxious to limit the destruction of such life once it had been brought into existence.

In their submission to the committee, they said: “At the very least, embryos with a preponderance of human genes should be assumed to be embryonic human beings, and should be treated accordingly.

“In particular, it should not be a crime to transfer them, or other human embryos, to the body of the woman providing the ovum, in cases where a human ovum has been used to create them.

“Such a woman is the genetic mother, or partial mother, of the embryo; should she have a change of heart and wish to carry her child to term, she should not be prevented from doing so.”

The draft Bill will also allow the screening of embryos for genetic or chromosomal abnormalities that might lead to serious medical conditions, disabilities, or miscarriage. It will permit doctors to check whether an embryo could provide a suitable tissue match for a sibling suffering from a life-threatening illness.

The Bill would abolish the requirement for fertility clinics to consider the need for a father when deciding on treatment. This means clinics will no longer be able to deny treatment to lesbians and single mothers.

The Catholic bishops said that most of the procedures covered by the Bill “should not be licensed under any circumstances”, principally on the grounds that they violate human rights.
[/quote]www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/06/26/nchimera126.xml


I agree with this poster
[quote]
What is happening to the world?
Why are these experiments being allowed have scientists not learned anything from history.
My God mankind has spent an eternity getting up on two legs and losing body hair - we're now going to create a generation that reverses the process. God help us all.[/quote]

[Budge]

Wanted to add more.

These bishops should have said DIRECTLY do NOT MONKEY WITH THIS STUFF.

I do not believe these things will have souls, nor will they really be human, they are manmade.

[cmotherofpirl]

sigh
You are missing the point. The Bishops are against them being made at all.
But if they are made they have the [b]right to life[/b] because they are partly human.

You prefer to murder them?

[Budge]

Why didnt they just say that?

Instead indirectly they are encouraging this stuff, saying oh they have right to life too.

There are some that believe chimps should be given human rights.

There you go.....

I do not believe they will be human. As to their destruction, they should have never been made, and I do not believe they have the "right to life" God has said life is to follow after it's own kind. God does not support the Npehilim.

Did you know they are sticking human DNA already into animals?

[url="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4558"]http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4558[/url]

[Budge]

More information on this topic.




[quote]Did Ancient Biotech Create "Nephilim"? Will Modern Science Bring Them Again?
Added: May 5th, 2007 7:42 AM

Did Ancient Biotech Create "Nephilim"? Will Modern Science Bring Them Again?by Thomas Horn

"The benei Elohim saw the daughters of Adam, that they were fit extensions" (Gen 6:2, Interlinear Hebrew Bible).

May 3, 2007 -- RaidersNewsNetwork.com -- In the study of the Old Testament Book of Genesis, beings of great stature called "giants" appear, which some scholars believe came into existence after powerful angels known as 'Watchers' descended to earth and used women (or their biological matter) to construct bodies of flesh, which they used to "extend" themselves into the material world.]The Apocryphal books of Enoch, 2 Esdras, Genesis Aprocryphon and Jasher support the Genesis story, adding that the sin of the angels grew to include genetic modification of animals as well as humans. The Book of Jasher, mentioned in the Bible in Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18, says, "After the fallen angels went into the daughters of men, the sons of men taught the mixture of animals of one species with the other, in order to provoke the Lord"(4:18). This clear reference to the Genesis 6 record illustrates that "animals" were included in whatever cross-species experiments were being conducted, and that this activity resulted in judgment from God. The Book of Enoch also supports this record, saying that after the fallen angels merged their DNA with women, they "began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish" (7:5,6). The Old Testament contains associated reference to genetic mutations, which developed among humans following this activity, including unusual size, physical strength, six fingers, six toes, animal appetite for blood and even lion-like features among men (2 Sam 21:20; 23:20).

What if, by corrupting the species barrier in which each creature was to recreate after its "own kind," Watchers had successfully mingled human-animal DNA and combined the hereditary traits of different species into a single new mutation? An entirely new being—Nephilim—might have suddenly possessed the combined intelligence and instincts (seeing, hearing, smelling, reacting to the environment) of several life forms and in ways unfamiliar to creation.

Will modern biotechnology resurrect Nephilim?

Today, molecular biologists classify the functions of genes within native species but are unsure in many cases how a gene's coding might react from one species to another. In recombinant DNA technology, a "transgenic" organism is created when the genetic structure of one specie is altered by the transfer of a gene or genes from another. This could change not only the genetic structure of the modified animal and its offspring, but its evolutionary development, sensory modalities, disease propensity, personality and behavior traits among other things.

Such transgenic tinkering already exists in many parts of the world including the United States, Britain and Australia where animal eggs are being used to create hybrid human embryos from which stem cell lines can be produced for medical research. A team at Newcastle and Durham universities in the UK recently announced plans to "create hybrid rabbit and human embryos, as well as other ‘chimera’ embryos mixing human and cow genes." More alarmingly, the same researchers have already managed to reanimate tissue "from dead human cells in another breakthrough which was heralded as a way of overcoming ethical dilemmas over using living embryos for medical research" (1). In the United States, similar studies led Irv Weissman, director of Stanford University’s Institute of Cancer/Stem Cell Biology and Medicine in California to create mice with partly human brains, causing some ethicists to raise the issue of "humanized animals" in the future that could become "self aware" as a result of genetic modification. Even the President of the United States, George W. Bush in his January 31st, 2006 State of the Union Address called for legislation to "prohibit…. creating human-animal hybrids, and buying, selling, or patenting human embryos."

Not everybody shares these concerns. A radical, international, intellectual, and cultural movement known as "Transhumanism" supports the use of new sciences including genetic modification to enhance human mental and physical abilities and aptitudes so that "human beings will eventually be transformed into beings with such greatly expanded abilities as to merit the label 'posthuman'" (2).

I have personally debated leading transhumanist, Dr. James Hughes on his weekly syndicated talk show, Changesurfer Radio. Hughes is Executive Director of the Institute for Ethics and Emerging Technologies and teaches at Trinity College in Hartford Connecticut. He is also the author of "Citizen Cyborg: Why Democratic Societies Must Respond to the Redesigned Human of the Future", a sort of Bible for transhumanist values. Dr. Hughes joins a growing body of academics, bioethicists and sociologists who support "large-scale genetic and neurological engineering of ourselves….[a] new chapter in evolution [as] the result of accelerating developments in the fields of genomics, stem-cell research, genetic enhancement, germ-line engineering, neuro-pharmacology, artificial intelligence, robotics, pattern recognition technologies, and nanotechnology…. at the intersection of science and religion [which has begun to question] what it means to be human…" (3).

In related development, Case Law School in Cleveland was awarded a $773,000 grant in April 2006 from the National Institutes of Health to develop guidelines "for the use of human subjects in what could be the next frontier in medical technology – genetic enhancement." Maxwell Mehlman, Arthur E. Petersilge Professor of Law, director of the Law-Medicine Center at the Case Western Reserve University School of Law, and professor of bioethics in the Case School of Medicine is leading the team of "law professors, physicians, and bioethicists in the two-year project to develop standards for tests on human subjects in research that involves the use of genetic technologies to enhance ‘normal’ individuals – to make them smarter, stronger, or better-looking" (4).

Other law schools including Stanford and Oxford have recently hosted "Human Enhancement and Technology" conferences where transhumanists, futurists, bioethicists and legal scholars merged to discuss the ethical and legal ramifications of posthumans.

In his book "Life, Liberty and the Defense of Dignity: The Challenges of Bioethics", the former chairman of the President's Council on Bioethics, Leon Kass provided a status report on where we stand today regarding transhumanism. He warned in the introduction that "Human nature itself lies on the operating table, ready for alteration, for eugenic and psychic 'enhancement,' for wholesale redesign. In leading laboratories, academic and industrial, new creators are confidently amassing their powers and quietly honing their skills, while on the street their evangelists are zealously prophesying a posthuman future. For anyone who cares about preserving our humanity, the time has come for paying attention" (5).

Not to be outdone in this regard by the National Institute of Health, DARPA and other agencies of the U.S. military have taken inspiration from the likes of Tolkein's Lord of the Rings. In a scene reminiscent of Saruman the wizard creating monstrous Uruk-Hai to wage unending, merciless war, we find billions of American tax dollars have flowed into the Pentagon's Frankensteinian dream of "super-soldiers" and the "Extended Performance War Fighter" program. Not only does the EPWFP envision "injecting young men and women with hormonal, neurological and genetic concoctions; implanting microchips and electrodes in their bodies to control their internal organs and brain functions; and plying them with drugs that deaden some of their normal human tendencies: the need for sleep, the fear of death, [and] the reluctance to kill their fellow human beings," but Chris Floyd in an article for CounterPunch a while back quoted the Daily Telegraph and Christian Science Monitor, saying "some of the research now underway involves actually altering the genetic code of soldiers, modifying bits of DNA to fashion a new type of human specimen, one that functions like a machine, killing tirelessly for days and nights on end.... mutations [that] will 'revolutionize the contemporary order of battle' and guarantee 'operational dominance across the whole range of potential U.S. military employments" (6).

In keeping with our editorial, imagine the staggering implications of such science if dead Nephilim tissue was discovered with intact DNA and a government somewhere that was willing to clone or mingle the extracted organisms to make Homo-nephilim. If one accepts the biblical story of giants as real, such discovery could actually be made someday, or perhaps already has been and was covered up. The technology to resurrect the extinct species already exists, and cloning methods are being studied now for use with bringing back Tasmanian Tigers, Wooly Mammoths and other extinguished creatures.

"Let not the dead live, let not the giants rise again…" (Isaiah 26.14, Douay-Rheims Version).

The reference above from the Book of Isaiah 26:14 could be troubling, as it may reflect a prayer from the prophet, a petition to God not to allow the giants to incarnate again. Did Isaiah pray this way because he knew something about the future, something related to a return of Nephilim?

The relationship between creatures called "Rephaim" and the Nephilim of ancient texts is enlightening, as Rephaim are viewed as the spirits of dead Nephilim in the grave. The word "Rephaim" carries with it the meaning 'to heal' or to be 'healed' as in a 'resurrection'. In the Ras Shamra texts, the Rephaim are described as both human and divine beings who worshipped the Amorite god Ba'al, the ruler of the underworld, where the Rephaim served as his acolyte assembly of lesser gods, kings, heroes, and rulers. These beings were believed to have power to return from the dead through incarnation in bodily form as 'Nephilim'. The ability of Rephaim to be reincarnated in this way as living Nephilim is viewed by some as the explanation for Nephilim existing before, and after, the Great Flood.

The book of Job may elucidate this idea when it says, "Dead things are formed from under the waters. . . ." (Job 26.5). The dead in this text are Rephaim and the phrase "are formed" is from "Chuwl", meaning to twist or whirl as in a double helix coil or genetic manufacturing. When combined with something my good friend Steve Quayle once wrote, the word "Chuwl" takes on added meaning:

"When the Greek Septuagint was created, the Hebrew word Nephilim was translated into Greek as 'gegenes'. This is the same word used in Greek mythology for the 'Titans', creatures created through the interbreeding of the Greek gods and human beings. The English words 'genes' and 'genetics' are built around the same root word as gegenes; genea meaning 'breed' or 'kind'. Thus, the choice of this word again suggests a genetic component to the creation of these giants." (7)

And what about this prophecy from Isaiah:

"The vision which Esaias son of Amos saw against Babylon. Lift up a standard on the mountain of the plain, exalt the voice to them, beckon with the hand, OPEN THE GATES, YE RULER. I GIVE COMMAND AND I BRING THEM: GIANTS ARE COMING TO FULFILL MY WRATH [emphasis added]. . . . For behold! the day of the Lord is coming which cannot be escaped, a day of wrath and anger, to make the world desolate. . . . And Babylon . . . shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. . . . It shall never be inhabited . . . and monsters shall rest there, and devils shall dance there and satyrs shall dwell there . . ." (Isaiah 13:1-3, 9, 19-22, [Septuagint Version]) (8).

Given what is happening in Babylon (Iraq) and biotechnology today, we may be witnessing the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy.

Thomas Horn is a well known radio personality and CEO of RaidersNewsNetwork.com and SurvivorMall.com. Over the last decade, he has authored several books and dozens of published articles. His works have been referred to by writers of the LA Times Syndicate, MSNBC, Christianity Today, World Net Daily, White House Correspondents and dozens of newsmagazines and press agencies around the globe. His latest book "The Ahriman Gate" fictionalizes biotechnology used to resurrect Biblical Nephilim.

NOTES

(1) Picken, Jane. Medical Marvels, The Evening Chronicle, April 13, 2007
(2) Wikipedia, The Free Enclyclopedia. Transhumanism, 2 May. 2007. Wikimedia Foundation Inc.
(3) Grassie, William. What does it mean to be Human? A John Templeton Foundation Research Lecture Query, 2006
(4) Case Western Reserve University. Case Law School receives $773,000 NIH grant to develop guidelines for genetic enhancement research: Professor Max Mehlman to lead team of law professors, physicians, and bioethicists in two-year project, April 28, 2006
(5) Kass, Leon R. Life, Liberty and the Defense of Dignity: The Challenge for Bioethics, Encounter Books; 1 edition (October 25, 2002)
(6) Floyd, Chris. Monsters, Inc.: The Pentagon Plan to Create Mutant "Super-Soldiers", CounterPunch, January 13, 2003
(7) Quayle, Steve. Genesis 6 Giants. Bozeman, MT: End Time Thunder Publishers, 2002.
(8) (See: [url="http://www.ccel.org/bible/brenton/Isaiah/13.html"]http://www.ccel.org/bible/brenton/Isaiah/13.html[/url] )[/quote]

Edited June 26, 2007 by Budge

[Budge]

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[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Budge' post='1302040' date='Jun 26 2007, 11:16 AM']Why didnt they just say that?

Instead indirectly they are encouraging this stuff, saying oh they have right to life too.

There are some that believe chimps should be given human rights.

There you go.....

I do not believe they will be human. As to their destruction, they should have never been made, and I do not believe they have the "right to life" God has said life is to follow after it's own kind. God does not support the Npehilim.

Did you know they are sticking human DNA already into animals?

[url="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4558"]http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4558[/url][/quote]
They DID say that as Era quoted, you conveniently skipped that part. Human mixes will not be fully human, and the Church doesn't think they should be made either.

The bishops said nothing about chimps.

Your quotes which are not biblical, refer to mixing animal species, it says nothing about humans. Humans have been breeding mules [ an interspecies mix] for years, or is God against them too?

[SJP]

[quote]Budge writes: Why didnt they just say that?
Instead indirectly they are encouraging this stuff, saying oh they have right to life too.[/quote]

They've said it and reaffirmed it a million times Budge. Perhaps if you had done a little research before cutting and pasting you would have known that.

[Budge]

Show some links...

this particular response was wish washy.

Also the idea that chimeras should be given human status is SICKENING.

1. They are not human, they are man made

2. They do not have souls.

3. They are monstrosities that should have never been made.

4. If you folks read the BIble you would realize God desired destruction of Nephilim hybrids.

I wonder if the Catholic bishops are going to join with this group...

[quote]

VIENNA, Austria (AP) - In some ways, Hiasl is like any other Viennese: He indulges a weakness for pastry, likes to paint and enjoys chilling out watching TV.

But he doesn't care for coffee, and he isn't actually a person - at least not yet.

[b]In a case that could set a global legal precedent for granting basic rights to apes, animal rights advocates are seeking to get the 26-year-old male chimpanzee legally declared a "person.''[/b]

Hiasl's supporters argue he needs that status to become a legal entity that can receive donations and get a guardian to look out for his interests.

"Our main argument is that Hiasl is a person and has basic legal rights,'' said Eberhart Theuer, a lawyer leading the challenge on behalf of the Association Against Animal Factories, a Vienna animal rights group.

"We mean the right to life, the right to not be tortured, the right to freedom under certain conditions,'' Theuer said.

"We're not talking about the right to vote here.''

The campaign began after the animal sanctuary where Hiasl (pronounced HEE-zul) and another chimp, Rosi, have lived for 25 years went bankrupt.

Activists want to ensure the apes don't wind up homeless if the shelter closes. Both have already suffered: They were captured as babies in Sierra Leone in 1982 and smuggled in a crate to Austria for use in pharmaceutical experiments. Customs officers intercepted the shipment and turned the chimps over to the shelter.

Their food and veterinary bills run about $6,800 a month. Donors have offered to help, but there's a catch: Under Austrian law, only a person can receive personal donations.

Organizers could set up a foundation to collect cash for Hiasl, whose life expectancy in captivity is about 60 years. But without basic rights, they contend, he could be sold to someone outside Austria, where the chimp is protected by strict animal cruelty laws.

"If we can get Hiasl declared a person, he would have the right to own property. Then, if people wanted to donate something to him, he'd have the right to receive it,'' said Theuer, who has vowed to take the case to the European Court of Human Rights if necessary.

Austria isn't the only country where primate rights are being debated. Spain's parliament is considering a bill that would endorse the Great Ape Project, a Seattle-based international initiative to extend "fundamental moral and legal protections'' to apes.

If Hiasl gets a guardian, "it will be the first time the species barrier will have been crossed for legal 'personhood,''' said Jan Creamer, chief executive of Animal Defenders International, which is working to end the use of primates in research.

Paula Stibbe, a Briton who teaches English in Vienna, petitioned a district court to be Hiasl's legal trustee. On April 24, Judge Barbara Bart rejected her request, ruling Hiasl didn't meet two key tests: He is neither mentally impaired nor in an emergency.

Although Bart expressed concern that awarding Hiasl a guardian could create the impression that animals enjoy the same legal status as humans, she didn't rule that he could never be considered a person.

Martin Balluch, who heads the Association Against Animal Factories, has asked a federal court for a ruling on the guardianship issue.[b]

"Chimps share 99.4 percent of their DNA with humans,'' he said. "OK, they're not homo sapiens. But they're obviously also not things - the only other option the law provides.''

Not all Austrian animal rights activists back the legal challenge. Michael Antolini, president of the local Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, said he thinks it's absurd.[/b]

"I'm not about to make myself look like a fool'' by getting involved, said Antolini, who worries that chimpanzees could gain broader rights, such as copyright protections on their photographs.

But Stibbe, who brings Hiasl sweets and yogurt and watches him draw and clown around by dressing up in knee-high rubber boots, insists he deserves more legal rights "than bricks or apples or potatoes.''

"He can be very playful but also thoughtful,'' she said. "Being with him is like playing with someone who can't talk.''

A date for the appeal hasn't been set, but Hiasl's legal team has lined up expert witnesses, including Jane Goodall, the world's foremost observer of chimpanzee behavior.

"When you see Hiasl, he really comes across as a person,'' Theuer said.

"He has a real personality. It strikes you immediately: This is an individual. You just have to look him in the eye to see that.''[/quote]

Edited June 26, 2007 by Budge

[SJP]

[quote name='Budge' post='1302077' date='Jun 26 2007, 12:05 PM']Show some links...

this particular response was wish washy.

Also the idea that chimeras should be given human status is SICKENING.

1. They are not human, they are man made

2. They do not have souls.

3. They are monstrosities that should have never been made.

4. If you folks read the BIble you would realize God desired destruction of Nephilim hybrids.

I wonder if the Catholic bishops are going to join with this group...[/quote]

[url="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_academies/acdlife/documents/rc_pont-acd_life_doc_20040316_x-gen-assembly-final_en.html"]http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontific...y-final_en.html[/url]

[url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/ENCYC/JP2EVANG.HTM"]http://www.ewtn.com/library/ENCYC/JP2EVANG.HTM[/url]

[url="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_academies/acdlife/index.htm"]http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontific...dlife/index.htm[/url]

[url="http://www.usccb.org/prolife/issues/bioethic/index.shtml"]http://www.usccb.org/prolife/issues/bioethic/index.shtml[/url]

[url="http://www.rcav.org/OLF/Programs/CivicAction/assisted/analysis/full.htm"]http://www.rcav.org/OLF/Programs/CivicActi...alysis/full.htm[/url]

[url="http://www.usccb.org/prolife/publicat/biotechn.shtml"]http://www.usccb.org/prolife/publicat/biotechn.shtml[/url]

[Budge]

[url="http://www.roslynoxley9.com.au/artists/31/Patricia_Piccinini/249/"]ARTIST MAKES SCULPTURES OF CHIMERAS: MORE HERE[/url]

[img]http://www.roslynoxley9.com.au/images/galleries/PiccininiVeniceBien_2003/002.jpg[/img]

[Era Might]

[quote]The Catholic bishops said that most of the procedures covered by the Bill "should not be licensed under any circumstances", principally on the grounds that they violate human rights.

[url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/06/26/nchimera126.xml"]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...nchimera126.xml[/url][/quote]
The Nephilim have nothing to do with this. The "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" that produced the Nephilim were probably the righteous descendents of Seth and the evil descendents of Cain, respectively.

This kind of scientific manipulation is absolutely immoral, but so long as it is happening, these embryos have to be presumed human. There are natural "monstrosities" (such as the elephant man) but that doesn't mean they are not human.

You said that "they are not human, they are man made." Are babies made from test tubes not human either? Human life can be manufactured with the raw materials (the gametes). It should never be manufactured, but it can be.

[Budge]

Well thanks for the links,

From Vatican
[quote]
Techniques of fertilization in vitro can open the way to other forms of biological and genetic manipulation of human embryos, such as attempts or plans for fertilization between human and animal gametes and the gestation of human embryos in the uterus of animals, or the hypothesis or project of constructing artificial uteruses for the human embryo. These procedures are contrary to the human dignity proper to the embryo, and at the same time they are contrary to the right of every person to be conceived and to be born within marriage and from marriage.([/quote]From Vancouver bishops:
[quote]How do we respond to this aspect of the legislation?
[b]
We ought to urge our legislators to prohibit entirely any attempts to create creatures that are partly human. Likewise the law must prohibit attempts to combine human and non-human strands of DNA to produce any hybrid being. The law must ban entirely the procreation of chimeras[/b].[/quote]
[/quote]

I still find these statements while good they exist to be rather understated...monkeying with this stuff is not only against human dignity but against God, and blasphemy against HIm. I do not see the Biblical content either. Also the Nephilim angle is ignored.

These bishops on the original post are still wrong to defend chimeras as human life.

[Budge]

Yes the Nephilim HAVE everything to do with this.

I know most of you here havent studied the Nephilim probably only God-Chaser knows about this stuff...

[quote]This kind of scientific manipulation is absolutely immoral, but so long as it is happening, these embryos have to be presumed human. There are natural "monstrosities" (such as the elephant man) but that doesn't mean they are not human.[/quote]

The elephant man was fully a human being, he just had a tumor disorder. His DNA, chromonsones etc were all fully human.

[url="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42637"]BOOK THAT TALKS ABOUT NEPHILIM TELLS YOU WHAT THEY ARE:GENETIC ENGINEERING IS PART OF THE PIC[/url]

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[SJP]

[quote]Budge writes:
Well thanks for the links,

From Vatican
From Vancouver bishops:
I still find these statements while good they exist to be rather understated...monkeying with this stuff is not only against human dignity but against God, and blasphemy against HIm. [/quote]Agreed, it's an abomination


[quote]Budge writes:
These bishops on the original post are still wrong to defend chimeras as human life.[/quote]

What are your thoughts on in vitro babies?