Girl Penalized For Wearing A Chastity Ring

[Didymus]

[quote name='XIX' post='1302229' date='Jun 26 2007, 12:56 PM']Um, please don't say that unless you have a good reason to believe they do.

In other words, don't just jump to conclusions based on the notion that all schools hand out condoms. My high school didn't. Heck, we had Jason Evert speak at our school. And we had a strict dress code. [/quote]

but they don't have a strict dress code. They have a jacked up dress code.

my bad if I wasn't clear enough. I didn't want to group the entire faculty body in this category, that is why I said 'bet u [i]some[/i] of the school officials...' my apologies...

[jmjtina]

since when is saving sex for marriage, purity and chastity NOT an integral part of our faith?

since when does the government state what is and what is not integral to a Catholic or Christian family?

Jewelry: It's all or nothing. When a school starts deciding, it becomes subjective and you will fight it in court.

If they allow Kara Bracelets to be worn which is a bracelet that is "a constant reminder of the Sikh's mission on this earth and that he or she must carry out righteous and true deeds and actions in keeping with Gurbani" then how is that any different from a chastity ring?

Sounds like discrimination to me.

[b]Allowed:[/b]
Kara Bracelets: constant reminder of the Sikh's mission on this earth and that he or she must carry out righteous and true deeds and actions in keeping with Gurbani.

[b]Not Allowed:[/b]
Chastity rings: constant reminder of the Christian mission on this earth that he or she must wait until they are married to have martial relations in keeping with the Word of God.

[veroni213]

While the secularization of Europe and the US is troubling and undeniable I'm also with Archaelogy Cat on this one. Within many faiths different weight is placed on various traditions. Exceptions to the rules should only be made for "important" things. For example, it is required that Catholics go to Mass on certain days, but praying the Rosary is "only" recommended. I would expect to be excused from class for Mass on a Holy Day, but I wouldn't expect to be excused so I could pray the rosary.

Chastity rings, while admirable, are not required for Christians. Presuming that the bracelets are required for Sikhs and that there is a general no-jewelry policy in place, I don't see any particularly overt discrimination here. There are bigger fish to fry.

[jmjtina]

I can see your point, but my point is all or nothing. The question is being asked, "Is this [b]integral [/b]to my faith?" it becomes subjective. The Rosary IS integral to my faith, whether or not it is of yours. (not saying it's not, but just an example) In my school, they even let us have excused absences for Catholic Youth conferences. It is totally subjective until you stamp it with terms where there is NO wiggle room.

If the school was using the terms, [b]mandatory, obligatory, or compulsory[/b] jewelry only, then I would whole heartedly agree with you. But since this has become a subjective decision, the girl has the right to fight for her right.

Your right, there are bigger fish to fry. But the girl penalized is fighting her big fish in her pond.

Edited June 27, 2007 by jmjtina

[homeschoolmom]

So... if the girl were to get engaged is she not allowed to wear her engagement ring?

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote name='jmjtina' post='1302610' date='Jun 26 2007, 09:34 PM']since when is saving sex for marriage, purity and chastity NOT an integral part of our faith?

since when does the government state what is and what is not integral to a Catholic or Christian family?

Jewelry: It's all or nothing. When a school starts deciding, it becomes subjective and you will fight it in court.

If they allow Kara Bracelets to be worn which is a bracelet that is "a constant reminder of the Sikh's mission on this earth and that he or she must carry out righteous and true deeds and actions in keeping with Gurbani" then how is that any different from a chastity ring?

Sounds like discrimination to me.

[b]Allowed:[/b]
Kara Bracelets: constant reminder of the Sikh's mission on this earth and that he or she must carry out righteous and true deeds and actions in keeping with Gurbani.

[b]Not Allowed:[/b]
Chastity rings: constant reminder of the Christian mission on this earth that he or she must wait until they are married to have martial relations in keeping with the Word of God.[/quote]

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[alicemary]

There are alot of school systems that say no jewelry. There are many that have a strict dress code. If it says no jewerly, then no jewerly. I have seen the studies that point out how kids like to try and outdo each other when it comes to wearing jewelry and the such at school. There is a good reason that it is banned. And if this is a high school, they should not be engaged anyway. What is wrong with taking off the ring when you go to school and putting it on when you return home? It is a symbol merely, and the real meaning of the ring should be embedded in your heart. A ring is only an external.
And to bring up the real world...my boss says no jewerly AND IT DOES, then guess what, I don't wear it. I can only wear small pieces, rings with no stones. No big earings. And they tell me how to wear my hair. And they tell me what I can and cannot wear. And guess what, they tell me how long I can wear my nails and what kind of nailpolish to use. And what kind of shoes I can and can't wear. This is the real world, I do it if I want my job.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='alicemary' post='1303064' date='Jun 27 2007, 02:15 PM']There are alot of school systems that say no jewelry. There are many that have a strict dress code. If it says no jewerly, then no jewerly. I have seen the studies that point out how kids like to try and outdo each other when it comes to wearing jewelry and the such at school. There is a good reason that it is banned. And if this is a high school, they should not be engaged anyway. What is wrong with taking off the ring when you go to school and putting it on when you return home? It is a symbol merely, and the real meaning of the ring should be embedded in your heart. A ring is only an external.
And to bring up the real world...my boss says no jewerly AND IT DOES, then guess what, I don't wear it. I can only wear small pieces, rings with no stones. No big earings. And they tell me how to wear my hair. And they tell me what I can and cannot wear. And guess what, they tell me how long I can wear my nails and what kind of nailpolish to use. And what kind of shoes I can and can't wear. This is the real world, I do it if I want my job.[/quote]

It's a secondary school (which stops at 16, if I'm not mistaken, I'm still trying to figure out the school system here, so I could be wrong), and they let her finish her GCSEs (just not actually at the school). If I remember correctly she only had to stay home for that last week of school, and she will go on to a college next, so she won't even be at the same school next year. But I agree, the rule is no jewelery, and that should be followed. Yes, they do allow Sikhs to wear the Kara bracelet, because for them it shows that they are in the Sikh religion, and is therefore integral. A purity ring does not necessarily mean you are a Christian, nor do all Christians acknowledge it as a symbol (unlike a cross or crucifix, which all Christians would recognize as a symbol of our faith).

[missionarybelle]

according to wikipedia
[quote]The Five Ks, or panj kakaar/kakke, are five items of faith that some Sikhs wear at all times at the command of the tenth Sikh Guru, Guru Gobind Singh who so ordered at the Baisakhi Amrit Sanskar in 1699. They are:-

Kesh (uncut hair)
Kanga (wooden comb)
Kaccha (specially-designed underwear)
[b]Kara (Iron bracelet) [/b]
Kirpan (strapped sword).[/quote]
the sikhs are ordered to wear the metal bracelets. it is therfore an integral part of their faith. Christians are required to be chaste according to their state of life but they're not required to wear a ring that says they're chaste. if they would, I know many people who "wouldn't be christians" if they HAD to wear chastity rings because they don't wear them. the school is not making the girl lose her purity, just the ring.

if we start to say that a piece of jewelery is an integral part of our faith, then what's to keep them from saying that a t-shirt with an image of Mary wasn't an integral part of their faith or a new ring wouldn't come out that says "don't do drugs" or "keep Holy the Sabbath Day" wouldn't be essential to someone else's faith.

besides the school DOES allow people to wear a cross of crucifix. why can't she wear that to remind her to remain chaste.

Edited June 27, 2007 by missionarybelle

[cmotherofpirl]

So they wear swords to school?

[Innocent]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1303122' date='Jun 27 2007, 09:04 PM']So they wear swords to school? [/quote]

A good Sikh would. Not necessarily a sword, though. A small dagger would suffice. It could even be a blunted dagger.

[missionarybelle]

i think I'd rather a bracelet than a sword

[XIX]

I begrudgingly agree.