Let’s Talk About Love

[carrdero]

I will post the list for easy referral.

1.LOVE is ALL but LOVE is not all we need.

2. You can recreate and rediscover and rekindle your experiences in LOVE

3. There is no such thing as falling out of LOVE or stopping LOVE or stopping someone from LOVING another.

4. Though there are many kinds of LOVE, as long as your LOVE is sincere it can be applicable to anything.

5. You can develop and strengthen your LOVE

6. One person’s LOVE can develop faster than another person’s LOVE

7. LOVE cannot BE measured by human standards. The amount of LOVE you can discover in one lifetime is immeasurable.

8. LOVE is easy, but K(NOW)ing what LOVE is, is not so simple. Expressing it is even harder still.

9. EveryONE you meet will express or UNDERSTAND LOVE differently. No two people share the same degree of LOVE in any type of REALationship.

10. You should not depend on LOVE from another person. There is nothing wrong with accepting someone's LOVE as long as you do not hope for it.

11. You cannot judge LOVE.

12. You cannot offer LOVE like wages.

13. You cannot take LOVE away.

14. You cannot hold, compromise, jeopardize, pretend, manipulate, warp, or sell LOVE.

15. YOU should RESPECT a person's stage of LOVE. RESPECT does not mean accept.

16. One of the most powerful ways to express LOVE is to feel LOVE within or BE able to bring it out of someone else without displaying any physical expression whatsoever.

17. LOVE is a free, Universal given.

18. You will never BE without LOVE. You may feel you do not need LOVE, that you may BE better off without it. But it will ALL(WAYS) BE with you.

19. No ONE slips backward in LOVE. No ONE loses LOVE.

20. Do not expect LOVE to grow for you. LOVE is already as mature and infinite as it is.

21. Sex is not LOVE. Sex can BE an extension of giving and receiving LOVE.

22. Some people do not K(NOW) what kind of LOVE they want in their life.

23. LOVE is never misplaced. LOVE is never misdirected; it ALL(WAYS) K(NOWS) where to go.

24. If LOVE is to grow, it will find a way.

25. Consideration, Respect and Forgiveness helps LOVE to grow

26. LOVE is not a contest and should never BE tested.

27. TRUE LOVE K(NOW)s no gender or age or species.

28.You have to make the conscious decision to responsibly achieve and identify the kind of LOVE you want in your life.

29. The opposite of LOVE is fear.

30. No kind of LOVE is better than another.

[carrdero]

[color="#FF0000"]1. LOVE is ALL but LOVE is not all we need.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Kirisutodo writes: Sounds like a very confusing statement.[/color]

As it should because one of the basic necessities of Love is undersanding. How to identify Love, what the effects love is on our lives, how to express it individually.

[color="#FF0000"]3. There is no such thing as falling out of LOVE or stopping LOVE or stopping someone from LOVING another.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Kirisutodo writes: Is this an absolute?[/color]

It may be considered a personal Truth. There are many people who think that love is as easy as writing out a check. As long as there is enough “love in the bank” they can keep writing these checks. If something detrimental happens within a relationship they also feel that they can cancel or stop payment on theses “checks”. With love, I do not believe one can do this because it had already been given. Both entities have these shared memories. Parents also may have come across an older teen who may be experiencing their first love but parents may disagree or try to stop this relationship. They may find a way to discontinue love from flourishing but they cannot stop the love that has already been established.

[color="#FF0000"]4.Though there are many kinds of LOVE, as long as your LOVE is sincere it can be applicable to anything.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Kirisutodo writes: As long as it is sincere? Is this a restriction on Love? So only if?[/color]

Restriction no, an attribute yes. What other way can one express love to their parents, their pet cat, chocolate ice cream with the hard butterscotch coating and the band Oingo Boingo without sincerity?


[color="#FF0000"]7. LOVE cannot BE measured by human standards. The amount of LOVE you can discover in one lifetime is immeasurable.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Kirisutodo writes:Yet, you are measuring it by saying it's immeasurable. Another absolute. I'm starting to like this guy.[/color]

Unless one knows every single entity that has ever existed on earth and has examined how they express their love first hand, I would say that the measuring and discovery of love could be difficult and not to be completed in one’s lifetime. Also the amount of love that one may receive cannot be determined even after death because it may still be given.

[color="#FF0000"]8. LOVE is easy, but K(NOW)ing what LOVE is, is not so simple. Expressing it is even harder still.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Kirisutodo writes:Who is love easy to? I want names.[/color]

Posting this list of Love was easy, it only took me .08 seconds. Explaining this love will not be as easy as posting the list.

[color="#FF0000"]10. You should not depend on LOVE from another person. There is nothing wrong with accepting someone's LOVE as long as you do not hope for it. [/color]
[color="#000080"]Kirisutodo writes:Trust is a form of depending on another person. I trust my girlfriend. I love my girlfriend. Are these separate?[/color]

I can trust someone without loving them. I can also love someone without relyng on their love in return. I would say these two concepts can be separate.

[color="#FF0000"]11. You cannot judge LOVE.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Kirisutodo writes: 11. Love is great! Ooops, shouldn't have said that.[/color]

If Love is great for you by all means believe it. What you are not to assume or judge is that someone else’s love is not great or as great as yours because they did not have the same experiences for Love as you had.

[color="#FF0000"]13.You cannot take LOVE away.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Kirisutodo writes:When I go on a diet, there are certain things that I love that are taken away from me, i.e.: ice cream, starches and cocoa puffs.[/color]

I would say that your love for ice cream, starches and cocoa puffs (if sincere) are not taken away from you, just that this love cannot continue to flourish. If a loved one leaves or passes away in death, no one has taken your love away, the love that you have for this person is still available it just may not present too many opportunities for development.

[color="#FF0000"]15. YOU should RESPECT a person's stage of LOVE. RESPECT does not mean accept.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Kirisutodo writes: Should I respect a person's love for molesting 3 year-olds?.[/color]

Is this Love or fear? Does love have to include the physical erotic touching of small children to be expressed? If the child is afraid of the person who is molesting them is this love or fear? For the man or woman who is in a physically abusive relationship is this love or fear? A deity who promotes and promises retribution, sentencing and punishment to others when they are not in accordance with this love? Is this fear or is this love? Do we have to be accepting of these kinds of love? The first thing I would advise is to find out if this is love and the second thing is if this love is acceptable to the kind of love that you want in your life. Through forgiveness and understanding you can still respect and love any entity without having to accept their kind of Love.

[color="#FF0000"]17. LOVE is a free, Universal given.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Kirisutodo writes: So who gives it? Who is this Universe? Do I know him?[/color]

Like the air or the sun, it’s there for the taking.

[color="#FF0000"]18. You will never BE without LOVE. You may feel you do not need LOVE, that you may BE better off without it. But it will ALL(WAYS) BE with you.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Kirisutodo writes: If God is love and you are without God, where's the love? Does love exist outside of God? Is love made by Mr. Universe?[/color]

Atheists recognize, interpret and express love without knowing GOD’s love, do they not? Love is for everyone, not just people who have a belief in GOD.

[color="#FF0000"]19. No ONE slips backward in LOVE. No ONE loses LOVE.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Kirisutodo writes: When my dog died, I lost his love. [/color]

You did? Did you do one of those "Eternal Sunshine of The Spotless Mind" kind of things? Can you not rekindle your love through the memories that you shared with this pet? Did you just write off all the moments that you spent with this animal?

[color="#FF0000"]20. Do not expect LOVE to grow for you. LOVE is already as mature and infinite as it is.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Kirisutodo writes: How can it be mature if it's infinite. Maturity implies time, growth.[/color]

The amount of love is infinite. The understanding and development (or underdevelopment) of Love depends on the individual.

[color="#FF0000"]21. Sex is not LOVE. Sex can BE an extension of giving and receiving LOVE.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Kirisutodo writes:That's why Sex is....Sex. Great job here.[/color]

You would be surprised how many people confuse, replace or restrain one for the other. Sex as an extention of love is best explored when both are in consent or in agreement but sex by example itself is not an indicator of love.

[color="#FF0000"]23. LOVE is never misplaced. LOVE is never misdirected; it ALL(WAYS) K(NOWS) where to go.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Kirisutodo writes: Like the wives who LOVE their abusive husbands. Or the pedophiles who LOVE child porn. No misdirection here?[/color]

Are you describing Love or fear?

[color="#FF0000"]26. LOVE is not a contest and should never BE tested.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Kirisutodo writes:Love is tested every day in a marriage.[/color]

And if you are not married, are you exempt fron this test? Asking, comparing and expecting others to perform examples in an effort to prove their love to you is a selfish and haughty endeavor.

[color="#FF0000"]27. TRUE LOVE K(NOW)s no gender or age or species.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Kirisutodo writes: Wow. Not even going to touch this one.[/color]

You never loved a animal, a elderly person, a child or another person of the same gender? Give it time, you may be young yet.

[color="#FF0000"]28.You have to make the conscious decision to responsibly achieve and identify the kind of LOVE you want in your life.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Kirisutodo writes: Does a 3 year-old make the conscious decision to love his/her mother?[/color]

I would be more concerned if someone else was making that decision for this child, wouldn’t you?

[color="#FF0000"]29. The opposite of LOVE is fear.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Kirisutodo writes:Love has no opposite (yes, that's an absolute...kinda like yours). Hate is lacking the qualities of Love, but is never it's equal.[/color]

Hate is an illusion, a man made stubborness. Fear (the opposite of Love) could come in many forms. Ignorance, misunderstanding, selfishness, pride, intolerance.

[color="#000080"]Kirisutodo writes:God is love.[/color]

Well define this love for me, tell me how and where you have discovered this love, how you identify with not only this love but how it also compares with your earthly breathren, what are some examples of this Godly love, why you accept this love and how I am to accept this love and what are the consequences if I do not accept this love.

Edited June 16, 2007 by carrdero

[Sojourner]

I'll take a stab at this.
1. Nonsensical, even with the explanation.

2. You can't step in the same river twice. An experience, once had, can never be repeated.

3. Experience and observation show otherwise.

4. There is only one true love, God's love for us. The closer we come to mimicking his love for us, the closer we come to truly loving.

5. I'll buy that.

6. Sure.

7. Depends on how you're measuring, and sure.

8. We were made to love, so in the sense that we love as part of our nature, it is "easy." It nonetheless takes work, and perseverance.

9. Absolute statements are always false.

10. It is good and right to love one another.

11. Indeed we can judge each other's love, because we have a standard by which to judge: God's perfect love for us.

12. True.

13. False.

14. False ... love is distorted and misrepresented every day.

15. OK, I can buy this. I respect someone's right to act like a butt, but I'll still encourage him to grow up and love in accordance with the example we've been given.

16. Baloney. God, in expressing his love for us through the Incarnation, emphasized the holiness of the physical. I love with my whole person, and the most powerful expressions of love are my mind, body, heart, and spirit working in concert to express love.

17. Love is freely and universally given, yes.

18. I can buy this.

19. Not on earth, no.

20. I don't think the nature of love changes. I think my understanding of it does.

21. OK.

22. OK.

23. When love is distorted it most definitely can be misplaced or misdirected.

24. But wait, you just said love doesn't grow. I'm confused.

25. See #24.

26. Our love most certainly can be tested. It should be tested, to see how closely it conforms to God's love for us.

27. Animals do not have the capacity to give and receive love.

28. Um ... yeah I suppose so.

29. Yes, I'd say this is true.

30. One's love is only "better" in the sense that it more closely approximates God's love for us.

[SJP]

Carrdero, after reading your list and explanations, I'm still no closer to understanding what your definition of love is.

Do you agree that to love is to will the good of another?

[carrdero]

[color="#FF0000"]2. You can recreate and rediscover and rekindle your experiences in LOVE[/color]
[color="#000080"]Terra Frima writes: You can't step in the same river twice. An experience, once had, can never be repeated.[/color]

So if you had vanilla ice cream at an ice cream stand once and you discovered you loved vanilla ice cream, you can not rekindle this love by ordering it again? If the proriator of this ice cream stand suggested that you try chocolate sprinkes on your ice cream you wouldn’t be able to rediscover your love for vanilla ice cream by accepting this suggestion? If you had guests over your house and you offered them vanilla ice cream topped with chocolate sprinkles with the ingredients that you bought, you could not share this love with them or even recreate one for yourself? Your belief system on love cannot be that constricting.

[color="#FF0000"]2.There is no such thing as falling out of LOVE or stopping LOVE or stopping someone from LOVING another.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Terra Frima writes: Experience and observation show otherwise.[/color]

Would you care to share a few experiences and observations with us? I know I could use the understanding since my perspective could differs from yours.

[color="#FF0000"]4. Though there are many kinds of LOVE, as long as your LOVE is sincere it can be applicable to anything.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Terra Frima writes: There is only one true love, God's love for us.[/color]

So the love that we express is inferior or is not True for ourselves or another entity unless we imitate God's love? Atheists cannot experience True Love?

[color="#000080"]Terra Frima writes: The closer we come to mimicking his love for us, the closer we come to truly loving.[/color]

So everyone who doesn’t understand or experience this love has no reason to attempt loving another entity, is this correct?

[color="#FF0000"]11. You cannot judge LOVE.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Terra Frima writes: Indeed we can judge each other's love, because we have a standard by which to judge: God's perfect love for us.[/color]

Now which type of love is this? Is this the same kind of love mentioned in the Old Tetament that if people do not accept our love, will or beliefs that we should put them to death and/or sentence them to an Eternal Hell? Or is this the “love thy neighbor as thy love thyself but you may still go to hell if you don’t do what I say” type of Love as expressed in the NT? Do you believe that love should be imposed, Terra Frima? Just trying to clarify.

[color="#FF0000"]13. You cannot take LOVE away.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Terra Frima writes: False[/color]

Did you ever take the love you gave another back from someone? Did you make sure to get it all? Did you take all the great memories that you had together or did you just ask for your record collection back? Did you ask the other person who you took your love back from, if they were properly emptied? In the process of taking your love back from someone did you ever mistakenly gather another's love? Were you kind enough to give it back?

[color="#FF0000"]14. You cannot hold, compromise, jeopardize, pretend, manipulate, warp, or sell LOVE.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Terra Frima writes: False ... love is distorted and misrepresented every day.[/color]

Hard to disagree with this without examples.

[color="#FF0000"]16. One of the most powerful ways to express LOVE is to feel LOVE within or BE able to bring it out of someone else without displaying any physical expression whatsoever.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Terra Firma writes: Baloney. God, in expressing his love for us through the Incarnation, emphasized the holiness of the physical. I love with my whole person, and the most powerful expressions of love are my mind, body, heart, and spirit working in concert to express love. [/color]
What if someone does not believe that God Incarnated in the physical? Does this make Love proposition #16 incorrect?

[color="#FF0000"]20. Do not expect LOVE to grow for you. LOVE is already as mature and infinite as it is.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Terra Firma writes: I don't think the nature of love changes. I think my understanding of it does.[/color]

This is a very important aspect to consider because someday, somewhere, someone we meet may need this understanding from us.

[color="#FF0000"]24. If LOVE is to grow, it will find a way.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Terra Firmer writes: But wait, you just said love doesn't grow. I'm confused.[/color]

This is more of a personal application. If we decide to plant the seed and nurture love we can encourage it to grow. The point is that love requires our active participation to express.

[color="#FF0000"]26. LOVE is not a contest and should never BE tested.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Terra Firmer writes: Our love most certainly can be tested. It should be tested, to see how closely it conforms to God's love for us.[/color]

Anyone who tests my love is not interested in my love or me loving them. Anyone who tests my love just wants me to do what they want me to do. Anyone who tells me that I have failed them because I did not do what they expected and discontinues a relationship with me probably was not interested in me or my love in the first place but was only interested in what I could do for them. Please tell me that you do not conduct your love with other relationships like this, do you?

[color="#FF0000"]27. TRUE LOVE K(NOW)s no gender or age or species.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Terra Firmer writes: Animals do not have the capacity to give and receive love.[/color]
WOW!! You’re not a pet owner are you Terra Firma? Is the next thing you are going to try to convince me of is that animals do not contain souls?

[color="#FF0000"]30. No kind of LOVE is better than another.[/color]
[color="#000080"]Terra Firmer writes: One's love is only "better" in the sense that it more closely approximates God's love for us.[/color]
Yes but who has this knowledge? If God's love is "better" what need would other people have with my imperfect love?

Edited June 16, 2007 by carrdero

[carrdero]

[quote name='SJP' post='1296625' date='Jun 16 2007, 11:53 AM']Carrdero, after reading your list and explanations, I'm still no closer to understanding what your definition of love is.

Do you agree that to love is to will the good of another?[/quote]
Yes, I agree with everything except the words "to will", "the good" and "of another".

Edited June 16, 2007 by carrdero

[SJP]

[quote name='carrdero' post='1296679' date='Jun 16 2007, 02:10 PM']Yes, I agree with everything except the words " to will", "the good" and "of another".[/quote]

Why

And.........

What is your definition of love? not a laundry list, just give it to me short and sweet.

What would you say to the average joe who asked you about love.

[SJP]

[quote name='carrdero' post='1296546' date='Jun 16 2007, 11:01 AM']I will post the list for easy referral.

1.LOVE is ALL but LOVE is not all we need.

2. You can recreate and rediscover and rekindle your experiences in LOVE

3. There is no such thing as falling out of LOVE or stopping LOVE or stopping someone from LOVING another.

4. Though there are many kinds of LOVE, as long as your LOVE is sincere it can be applicable to anything.

5. You can develop and strengthen your LOVE

6. One person’s LOVE can develop faster than another person’s LOVE

7. LOVE cannot BE measured by human standards. The amount of LOVE you can discover in one lifetime is immeasurable.

8. LOVE is easy, but K(NOW)ing what LOVE is, is not so simple. Expressing it is even harder still.

9. EveryONE you meet will express or UNDERSTAND LOVE differently. No two people share the same degree of LOVE in any type of REALationship.

10. You should not depend on LOVE from another person. There is nothing wrong with accepting someone's LOVE as long as you do not hope for it.

11. You cannot judge LOVE.

12. You cannot offer LOVE like wages.

13. You cannot take LOVE away.

14. You cannot hold, compromise, jeopardize, pretend, manipulate, warp, or sell LOVE.

15. YOU should RESPECT a person's stage of LOVE. RESPECT does not mean accept.

16. One of the most powerful ways to express LOVE is to feel LOVE within or BE able to bring it out of someone else without displaying any physical expression whatsoever.

17. LOVE is a free, Universal given.

18. You will never BE without LOVE. You may feel you do not need LOVE, that you may BE better off without it. But it will ALL(WAYS) BE with you.

19. No ONE slips backward in LOVE. No ONE loses LOVE.

20. Do not expect LOVE to grow for you. LOVE is already as mature and infinite as it is.

21. Sex is not LOVE. Sex can BE an extension of giving and receiving LOVE.

22. Some people do not K(NOW) what kind of LOVE they want in their life.

23. LOVE is never misplaced. LOVE is never misdirected; it ALL(WAYS) K(NOWS) where to go.

24. If LOVE is to grow, it will find a way.

25. Consideration, Respect and Forgiveness helps LOVE to grow

26. LOVE is not a contest and should never BE tested.

27. TRUE LOVE K(NOW)s no gender or age or species.

28.You have to make the conscious decision to responsibly achieve and identify the kind of LOVE you want in your life.

29. The opposite of LOVE is fear.

30. No kind of LOVE is better than another.[/quote]


I think that this is representative of how our society deals with the question of love. For modernity love is very complicated and confusing. No wonder our society suffers from such a lack of love. People can't figure out what love means!

[SJP]

Furthermore carrdero, your list deals mainly with what you believe the attributes of love to be. We're still no closer to understanding what your definition of love is. You're dealing with characteristics of love, but we're still no closer to understanding what the essence of love is.

[Proud2BCatholic139]

If you want a definition of love, look on the Crucifix. Jesus died because He loves us. God is love. Love is love as Christ loves the Church.

That is love.

Husbands should love their wives as Christ loves the church. Imitate that love. Imitate the love of the Holy Family.

If you fall OUT of love with someone, you never loved them in the first place.

"...Love comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith."
1 Timothy 1:5

May God bless you

Edited June 16, 2007 by Proud2BCatholic139

[carrdero]

[quote name='Proud2BCatholic139' post='1296776' date='Jun 16 2007, 02:12 PM']If you want a definition of love, look on the Crucifix. Jesus died because He loves us. God is love. Love is love as Christ loves the Church.

That is love.[/quote]
That is one example yes but you do understand that there are some plants and animals who make this sacrifice for us everyday. They offer their lives so that others may live. The only reason I point this out is because I did not see you mention the word tomatoes, fish, lettuce, cows, potatoes, pigs, chickens, cucumbers, corn in your post. If we are going to talk about love we might as well be considerately fair.

[chelsea]

[quote name='carrdero' post='1296839' date='Jun 16 2007, 05:34 PM']That is one example yes but you do understand that there are some plants and animals who make this sacrifice for us everyday. They offer their lives so that others may live. The only reason I point this out is because I did not see you mention the word tomatoes, fish, lettuce, cows, potatoes, pigs, chickens, cucumbers, corn in your post. If we are going to talk about love we might as well be considerately fair.[/quote]

plants and animals do not have souls. Do not compare fish, lettuce, and corn to my Savior.

[carrdero]

[quote]SJP writes:Why [/quote]“to will" has connotations of imposing, I do not believe that love should be forced or imposed on anyone. Love is free and to “will anything” constricts this freedom to accept or not accept another's love.

“the good” implies condition and that love has to measured or earned by deeds. Some of the most profound examples of love is when love is observed to be unconditional without any judgment or expectations.

“Of another” excuses one from discovering and learning the most important foundation of love. Love for oneself.

[quote]SJP wirites: And.........

What is your definition of love? not a laundry list, just give it to me short and sweet.[/quote]
I just did.

[quote]SJP writes: Carrdero, after reading your list and explanations, I'm still no closer to understanding what your definition of love is.

Do you agree that to love is to will the good of another?

Carrdero responds: Yes, I agree with everything except the words "to will", "the good" and "of another".[/quote]Take away the words “to will” “the good” “of another” and what are you left with?

Love Is.

It's not going to get any shorter or more sweeter than that.

[quote]SJP writes: What would you say to the average joe who asked you about love.[/quote]
Without ever having met this average Joe before and with only a small amount of time, I would give him a heartfelt (but optional) hug and tell him "I Love You, Pass It On”.

[quote]SJP writes: I think that this is representative of how our society deals with the question of love. For modernity love is very complicated and confusing. No wonder our society suffers from such a lack of love. People can't figure out what love means![/quote]I think part of the concern comes from their examples and how some people let others define it for them. Many people expect Love to have a fairy tale ending when there is much understanding and confidence needed for them to individually receive and express it. There are also some people who are afraid that their love will be turned down or that they are afraid of offending another's love or afraid that will live without love. Again, fear becomes the complicating factor in how some people determine love.

[quote]SJP writes: Furthermore carrdero, your list deals mainly with what you believe the attributes of love to be.
We're still no closer to understanding what your definition of love is. You're dealing with characteristics of love, but we're still no closer to understanding what the essence of love is.[/quote]
Possibly, but among that list you have something which is just as important. You have the essence of what love is not (#29).

Edited June 16, 2007 by carrdero

[carrdero]

[quote name='chelsea' post='1296842' date='Jun 16 2007, 04:40 PM']plants and animals do not have souls. Do not compare fish, lettuce, and corn to my Savior.[/quote]
I'll make a deal with you, I promise not to compare [b][i]your[/i][/b] Savior to plants and animals if you promise not to eat [b][i]my[/i][/b] "soul-less" plants and animals.

Edited June 16, 2007 by carrdero

[Proud2BCatholic139]

God [b]gave[/b] us plants and animals to eat and give us something nice to look at...They are essential to every day needs...Notice the bold...that means something. That means He loves us.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world He gave us His only Son so that anyone who believe in Him will not perish but will have eternal life.

I'm sure your plants and animals will understand why you ate them.

Also, will your plants and animals get you to Heaven. Loving your plants more than God is an example of idolatry which is breaking the first and most important commandment. Sure you think that your plants may love you, but you are not complete without God...and therefore, He gave us His only Son, so that we may have eternal life. I'm sure you do not love your plants as much as your mom and dad or anyone else.

Edited June 16, 2007 by Proud2BCatholic139