PatrickRitaMichael Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 I have noticed that several times when a Catholic person will point to the Church's interpretation of the Bible, a non-Catholic will respond w/ a different interpretation and say "Don't just accept what the Church says the Bible says. This is not my own interpretation. Just open it up and see what the BIBLE ACTUALLY SAYS" (and, of course, the 'Bible actually says' what that person thinks... how lucky can ya get?!). Do non-Catholics think that Catholics don't go to their Bibles when they read the Church's interpretation, see what it says in light of Scripture and ACTUALLY AGREE WITH IT! I mean, I do, and I'm never surprised that a 2000-year-old is smarter than a 22-year-old (me). Why is it that when a Catholic says something in agreement w/ the Church, she is a mindless sheep, following a corrupt dictatorship and the ignorant masses of Catholics around the world, while non-Catholics who interpret the Bible the same way as their pastors or whole Church or what-have-you are enlightened and simply interpreting the Bible the way it was meant to be? Can someone answer me that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 If Catholics are mindless sheep following blindly a corrupt leadership, I weep for the protestants. Well that counts for the educated Catholics. Most American Catholics are idiots when it comes to their faith and are easy to convert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Sorry for the generalization, but its generally true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Friday Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 No need to apologize. We know. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willguy Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Baaaaaaaa... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Would that I had been granted the grace of being a blind sheep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 i have asserted several times, and i say here again: i am sheep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 I have noticed that several times when a Catholic person will point to the Church's interpretation of the Bible, a non-Catholic will respond w/ a different interpretation and say "Don't just accept what the Church says the Bible says. This is not my own interpretation. Just open it up and see what the BIBLE ACTUALLY SAYS" (and, of course, the 'Bible actually says' what that person thinks... how lucky can ya get?!). Do non-Catholics think that Catholics don't go to their Bibles when they read the Church's interpretation, see what it says in light of Scripture and ACTUALLY AGREE WITH IT! I mean, I do, and I'm never surprised that a 2000-year-old is smarter than a 22-year-old (me). Why is it that when a Catholic says something in agreement w/ the Church, she is a mindless sheep, following a corrupt dictatorship and the ignorant masses of Catholics around the world, while non-Catholics who interpret the Bible the same way as their pastors or whole Church or what-have-you are enlightened and simply interpreting the Bible the way it was meant to be? Can someone answer me that? You may be correctly stating you case. Along with many other that is on this site. But, age have little to do with what the Scripture say to you. It have to do with being in the Spirit. I was 11 years old when I first read the Bible front to back and understode it. I was baptized when I was 10 years of age when I received Christ into my life. I left the church that my family attended and I had grow up in after reading the Bible. See when I was baptized it was into Christ Church. If you don't know what you think you know, you don't know! No man or woman on the face of the earth teach you, better that the Holy Spirit. God will reveal to you through the Spirit the truth and understanding of it. Seek first his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 If Catholics are mindless sheep following blindly a corrupt leadership, I weep for the protestants. Well that counts for the educated Catholics. Most American Catholics are idiots when it comes to their faith and are easy to convert. I feel that most Catholic just follow what the church say because its there family tradition. Like some people goto the same college that mom, dad,uncle,sister....to leave the Cc would be like leaving there family. They are weak and have to IDfy with their family members. Following Christ is personal and only you should make that choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 You may be correctly stating you case. Along with many other that is on this site. But, age have little to do with what the Scripture say to you. It have to do with being in the Spirit. I was 11 years old when I first read the Bible front to back and understode it. I was baptized when I was 10 years of age when I received Christ into my life. I left the church that my family attended and I had grow up in after reading the Bible. See when I was baptized it was into Christ Church. If you don't know what you think you know, you don't know! No man or woman on the face of the earth teach you, better that the Holy Spirit. God will reveal to you through the Spirit the truth and understanding of it. Seek first his face. well then, if the Holy Spirit is just running around inspiring everyone and giving them the true meaning of scripture, how come "everyone" doesn't have the same understanding? you claim to have inspiration from the Spirit in your beliefs. well, guess what, so does every other protestant. so, who's right and who's wrong here? they can't all be inspired, b/c--well by golly--they don't all believe the same thing. it looks a whole lot like your Holy Spirit is contradicting himself. who or what says that your interpretation is right and another man's is wrong? who's gonna decide who's reeeally inspred and who just thinks he is? the protestant method and defense for interpreting the bible raises much more questions then it provides answers. the whole body of Protestantism, and the obvious difference in beliefs--in and of itself--proves that you are wrong in your claims about Holy Spirit inspiration. why isn't this obvious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 I feel that most Catholic just follow what the church say because its there family tradition. "Just" is a strong word. While I will grant that there are probably masses of "cultural catholics" out there who don't know too much about their faith and maybe don't even care that much, I'd guess that the majority of Catholics who really live the Faith do so because they love Jesus Christ and His Church. Just because someone is a "craddle catholic" doesn't mean they are ignorant or that they do not have a profound experience of Christ in the Church's life and Sacraments. And your point probably applies generally to protestants as well. Anyway, most of the Catholics I know on a personal level are extremely knowledgable about their faith. Many are converts from various branches of protestantism and came to the Church after studying the Bible in great detail. Scott Hahn is a good example, he used to be anti-catholic, now he is a Catholic Theology professor. I recently heard of a Pentacostal pastor who converted to the faith and took almost his entire congregation with him. He is on fire with the Holy Spirit and totally in love with Mary Immaculate. I follow the Church because I believe it is the Church that Christ established and promised to lead and guide. I trust the Church as a mother and teacher. And in my experience her teachings always prove to be the deepest and most revealing of the mysteries contained in the Word of God. I've learned from experience that she is trustworthy, and God's promises are trustworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 I feel that most Catholic just follow what the church say because its there family tradition. Like some people goto the same college that mom, dad,uncle,sister....to leave the Cc would be like leaving there family. They are weak and have to IDfy with their family members. Following Christ is personal and only you should make that choice. Many Prots do the same thing. I did in my younger years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Many Catholics were among the greatest geniuses of history. Many great converts were radically intellectual. St. Augustine is one of my favorite examples. Of more recent times brilliant individuals like Newman, Chesterton, von Hildebrand, Maritain, Edith Stein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 You may be correctly stating you case. Along with many other that is on this site. But, age have little to do with what the Scripture say to you. It have to do with being in the Spirit. I was 11 years old when I first read the Bible front to back and understode it. I was baptized when I was 10 years of age when I received Christ into my life. I left the church that my family attended and I had grow up in after reading the Bible. See when I was baptized it was into Christ Church. If you don't know what you think you know, you don't know! No man or woman on the face of the earth teach you, better that the Holy Spirit. God will reveal to you through the Spirit the truth and understanding of it. Seek first his face. So the Spirit tells you are right. But what about the Spirit who tells somebody the exact opposite. Is the Spirit now a liar? Because you have no standard of truth to compare your version to, you cannot judge which one of you is correct. THe Church is the standard of truth, not your version which competes with every other version. Do you really thing God is a God of confusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroX Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Just follow what the Church says? Do you have any idea how hard it can be to just follow what the church says? I just have to keep sexually pure, and I just have to stay humble. Or, I just have to always tell the truth, and I just have to be loving towards others. How about I just have to give assent and obeidence to teachings I don't fully understand? If only it was as easy as your statement implied. Believe me, it would be much easier to just do what I wanted and make the Bible try and back me up. peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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