the Apologist Posted June 6, 2007 Author Share Posted June 6, 2007 [quote name='farglefeezlebut' post='1289461' date='Jun 6 2007, 01:20 PM']Her actions are evil, but only God has the right to judge her as a person. Hate the sin. Love the sinner (but don't vote for her).[/quote] Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofpheritup Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 (edited) [quote name='catholicinsd' post='1289458' date='Jun 6 2007, 12:18 PM']And yet she was elected to the US Senate, twice.[/quote] All that proves is that people can be misguided (twice). I was going to use the word dumb, but no I won't do that. Edited June 6, 2007 by ofpheritup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 [quote name='catholicinsd' post='1289458' date='Jun 6 2007, 02:18 PM']And yet she was elected to the US Senate, twice. Until you've done that, you have no right to call her an idiot.[/quote] Right because only the smartest, most intelligent and gifted individuals get elected to our federal government, right? Have you heard of the Kennedys? Too liberal for ya? How about George W. Bush? In the words of that unfunny comedian Carlos Mencia, these people are all "dee-dee dees!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birgitta Noel Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 [quote name='the Apologist' post='1289457' date='Jun 6 2007, 01:18 PM']Don't be so naive... Hillary will do whatever it takes to get a vote and appear good. You have no idea of all that the Clintons have done and unspoken crimes they have commited. There is so much shady business connected with them that if she was really repentant, or a faith based woman, i don't think she would even still be in politics. I do believe she will do ANYTHING and SAY anything to get a vote for presidency. I mean, her staying with Bill Clinton after his scandals can be seen as fidelity but also seen as a way to make good on her political carreer. (Also, it is funny that you don't see them together in the media often.) You are good to want to think the best of them and not judge. God bless you for that. But at the same time we must be wise and perhaps you have not seen or read as much as some of us regarding the Clintons. (My gosh, how many so called suicides in connection with the Clintons!) Also, i agree that calling her the anit-Christ is a strong accusation. But believing her to be this forgiving faith based woman that this article presents her to be is not knowing her AT ALL. Those who know anything about the Clintons and their whole political history would see clearly that she is just acting, pretending, feigning and probably even lying. This article is a political tactic. Take anything Hillary Clinton or any politician says now with more than just a grain of salt.[/quote] Oh have no worries I am not naive in any way. I know all about Hillary. Not to mention that my roommate from college was from Hope, Arkansas and had a great deal of insight on the Clintons! I likely know just as much as you do unless you have some inside source. Don't assume that I don't know. My point was that your criticism of her faith was misplaced. If she said her faith pulled her through then it likely did. Her faith and her contradictory support of abortion may be at odds with one another, but that doesn't mean that she doesn't feel the way that she does. Sure, she may be saying this for votes. Ok, so what. I don't believe 99.9% of what comes out of anyone's mouth during a campaign unless their actions back up their words and neither should anyone else. I do believe though that unless she demonstrates that her faith means nothing to her that we can't argue that she's putting on an act. As for her not showing up with Bill in public that says nothing at all. If she showed up with him people would accuse her of faking it for the media. She's in a no win situation. She is an intelligent and strong woman. But just being intelligent doesn't make you a good candidate or someone that I'd want to run the country, under any circumstances. I know a lot of intelligent people who are not good people. They may have what they hold to be a strong faith, but that doesn't mean that they are good Christians or really do have a strong faith. She may have forgiven Bill. It doesn't really matter why she stayed with him or whether or not you see them together. We have no idea what goes on in that marriage and frankly I don't care. I do judge her. I judge her political positions, but not her marriage and not her profession of faith. As I said before, she's not Catholic, and there are many Christian denominations which are either "pro-choice" or don't make any statement on what they are or what their members should be. Am I skeptical about her faith, yes. But that doesn't give me a right to call her the anti-Christ. As much as I dislike (and that's an understatement) Hillary Clinton's politics the fact remains that she is a child of God and like me a sinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIX Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 I'm not too worried about this article. Besides, I'd vote for a pro-life atheist over Hilary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 [quote name='XIX' post='1289687' date='Jun 6 2007, 08:00 PM']Besides, I'd vote for a pro-life atheist over Hilary.[/quote] They have those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 [quote name='catholicinsd' post='1289714' date='Jun 6 2007, 08:44 PM']They have those?[/quote] Yes, in fact, there are pro-life atheists. Maybe not running in politics, but they do exist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Apologist Posted June 7, 2007 Author Share Posted June 7, 2007 (edited) [quote name='The Little Way' post='1289684' date='Jun 6 2007, 06:50 PM']Oh have no worries I am not naive in any way. I know all about Hillary. Not to mention that my roommate from college was from Hope, Arkansas and had a great deal of insight on the Clintons! I likely know just as much as you do unless you have some inside source. Don't assume that I don't know. My point was that your criticism of her faith was misplaced. If she said her faith pulled her through then it likely did. Her faith and her contradictory support of abortion may be at odds with one another, but that doesn't mean that she doesn't feel the way that she does. Sure, she may be saying this for votes. Ok, so what. I don't believe 99.9% of what comes out of anyone's mouth during a campaign unless their actions back up their words and neither should anyone else. I do believe though that unless she demonstrates that her faith means nothing to her that we can't argue that she's putting on an act. As for her not showing up with Bill in public that says nothing at all. If she showed up with him people would accuse her of faking it for the media. She's in a no win situation. She is an intelligent and strong woman. But just being intelligent doesn't make you a good candidate or someone that I'd want to run the country, under any circumstances. I know a lot of intelligent people who are not good people. They may have what they hold to be a strong faith, but that doesn't mean that they are good Christians or really do have a strong faith. She may have forgiven Bill. It doesn't really matter why she stayed with him or whether or not you see them together. We have no idea what goes on in that marriage and frankly I don't care. I do judge her. I judge her political positions, but not her marriage and not her profession of faith. As I said before, she's not Catholic, and there are many Christian denominations which are either "pro-choice" or don't make any statement on what they are or what their members should be. Am I skeptical about her faith, yes. But that doesn't give me a right to call her the anti-Christ. As much as I dislike (and that's an understatement) Hillary Clinton's politics the fact remains that she is a child of God and like me a sinner.[/quote] Well i'm glad to see you are not believing everything Hillary Clinton says is true because your first post gave that impression to me and i believe to at least to some others. I agree that name calling doesn't get us anywhere. But i do believe that articles like this one are made to deceive people so that they like her and vote for her. It doesn't matter what the truth of it is. Whether she really did use her faith to get through those times or not. And again, the reason why they would want people to like her is to vote for her. I do not believe that this article was written to give a success story of how a strong lady made it through a rough time in marraige. Some people could take it that way, and that could bring about a lot of good. But to use her, Hillary Clinton, as an example for that knowing all the horrible things that she has done is why i said that this article made me sick to the stomach. Its like setting her up as an example to follow. But she is no example for anyone until she changes in other things. Now can you agree with that? Edited June 7, 2007 by the Apologist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 Did Hillary's "very serious Faith" lead her to oppose the ban on infanticide ("partial-birth abortion")?? Her voting record proves her a hypocrite. Just another politician doing the "God-talk" to get votes. Who's she think she's fooling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel9 Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 [quote name='jckinsman' post='1289409' date='Jun 6 2007, 08:59 AM']It's all politics folks and she's got her masters in it! Playing the part of "Mrs.Middle-of-the-road" Remember,Now it's show time! Get ready for the ride America! ( Hey Dust,we need little fish with a hook in it's mouth, for this political season!)[/quote] That's for sure...politics indeed! We [i][/i] do[i][/i] need that fish with a hook in it's mouth and not just for Hillary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 [quote name='MissScripture' post='1289764' date='Jun 6 2007, 10:02 PM']Yes, in fact, there are pro-life atheists. Maybe not running in politics, but they do exist![/quote] Everyday I learn something new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIX Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 There is actually a pro-life Atheist/Agnostic group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exquisitebones Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 this is just a ploy to get the votes of religious americans. and its sad sad sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigid Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 (edited) [quote name='farglefeezlebut' post='1289461' date='Jun 6 2007, 01:20 PM']Her actions are evil, but only God has the right to judge her as a person. Hate the sin. Love the sinner (but don't vote for her).[/quote] you said what I wanted to say, only you said it better than I would have. you have my respect and agreement. really, guys. I know she's a (I'm not judging, it's a fact - she's pro-abortion), but we can't really judge her faith life. that's God's job. edit: I'd like to add that it's REALLY REALLY hard to read the article and still say that. I, too, rolled my eyes and said "oh, please" multiple times until I started reading the replies and realized how we really shouldn't judge. so I'm not trying to be condescending or anything, I did it too. Edited June 7, 2007 by Brigid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 Ah, yes...the "lifelong Yankees fan"... from Park Ridge, IL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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