the Apologist Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 Somebody please pass me a bag so i can puke... Read this and see why... By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer 37 minutes ago WASHINGTON - In a rare public discussion of her husband's infidelity, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton said Monday that she probably could not have gotten through her marital troubles without relying on her faith in God. ADVERTISEMENT Clinton stood by her actions in the aftermath of former President Clinton's admission that he had an affair, including presumably her decision to stay in the marriage. "I am very grateful that I had a grounding in faith that gave me the courage and the strength to do what I thought was right, regardless of what the world thought," Clinton said during a forum where the three leading Democratic presidential candidates talked about faith and values. "I'm not sure I would have gotten through it without my faith," she said in response to a question about how she dealt with the infidelity. The forum, sponsored by the liberal Sojourners/Call to Renewal evangelical organization, provided an uncommon glimpse into the most personal beliefs of Clinton and rivals John Edwards and Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record). The three candidates were invited by Sojourners founder Jim Wallis; most of the other Democratic candidates appeared on CNN later Monday to discuss their faith. The most intimate question came about the Clintons' relationship, one of the world's most debated marriages but one that the husband and wife rarely speak openly about. Clinton said she's "been tested in ways that are both publicly known and those that are not so well known or not known at all." She said it's those times when her personal faith and the prayers of others sustain her. "At those moments in time when you are tested, it is absolutely essential that you be grounded in your faith," she said. Edwards revealed that he prays — and sins — every day. The crowd gasped loudly when moderator Soledad O'Brien asked Edwards to name the biggest sin he ever committed, and he won their applause when he said he would have a hard time naming one thing. "I sin every single day," said Edwards, the 2004 vice presidential nominee. "We are all sinners and we all fall short." Edwards, wearing a purple tie to match Sojourners' signature color, promoted himself as the candidate most committed to the group's mission of fighting poverty. He said he doesn't feel his belief in evolution is inconsistent with his belief in Christ and he doesn't personally feel gays should be married, although as president he wouldn't impose his belief system on the rest of the country. "I have a deep and abiding love for my Lord, Jesus Christ," Edwards said, but he said the United States shouldn't be called a Christian nation. He said he has been going to church since he was a child and was baptized as a teen. He said he strayed from his faith as an adult and it came "roaring back" when his teenage son died in 1996. "It was the Lord that got me through that," Edwards said, along with both of his wife's cancer diagnoses. Clinton acknowledged that talking about her religious beliefs doesn't come naturally to her. "I take my faith very seriously and very personally," she said. "And I come from a tradition that is perhaps a little too suspicious of people who wear their faith on their sleeves." Each candidate was given 15 minutes to appear before the packed auditorium at George Washington University's Lisner Auditorium and a live audience on CNN. They were questioned by O'Brien and by church leaders across the country. Obama's appearance focused more on policy than the personal. Asked whether he agreed with President Bush's portrayal of the current global struggles in terms of good verses evil, Obama said there is a risk in viewing the world in such terms. He said he believes that the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, were the result of evil. But he said that the United States' treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay is unjust. "The danger of using good verses evil in the context of war is that it may lead us to be not as critical as we should about our own actions," Obama said to applause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 BBBLLEEEEECHHHHHH!!! urp...spew...hurl..barf... I feel so dirty reading carp like that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 i could really go for a pepto bismol and scotch right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 Wow.... She's doing a wonderful job at proving that she is, in fact, the anti-Christ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birgitta Noel Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 Now really. Who are we to criticize her for this? I don't like her nor would I vote for her, but since you don't know her (or the rest of the candidates for that matter) and she's not Catholic (so we can't say she's dissenting) it seems a bit presumptuous to knock her for sharing her faith and to call her the anti-Christ. Seriously, did we read the same article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farglefeezlebut Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 [quote name='The Little Way' post='1289079' date='Jun 6 2007, 04:35 AM']Now really. Who are we to criticize her for this? I don't like her nor would I vote for her, but since you don't know her (or the rest of the candidates for that matter) and she's not Catholic (so we can't say she's dissenting) it seems a bit presumptuous to knock her for sharing her faith and to call her the anti-Christ. Seriously, did we read the same article?[/quote] The Little Way is right. I may not agree with everything she says or does, but I wish I were as forgiving as her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 Talk is cheap...let's see some fruits. How about...I dunno...NOT voting to crush the skulls of the unborn, rip them to shreds, then call it a 'choice'? Till I see something REAL outta that , I ain't believing a thing she says.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 [quote name='The Little Way' post='1289079' date='Jun 5 2007, 11:35 PM']Now really. Who are we to criticize her for this? I don't like her nor would I vote for her, but since you don't know her (or the rest of the candidates for that matter) and she's not Catholic (so we can't say she's dissenting) it seems a bit presumptuous to knock her for sharing her faith and to call her the anti-Christ. Seriously, did we read the same article?[/quote] I'm not basing my opinion of her based on that one article. She's an idiot. Plain and simple. [quote name='Groo the Wanderer' post='1289372' date='Jun 6 2007, 10:09 AM']Talk is cheap...let's see some fruits. How about...I dunno...NOT voting to crush the skulls of the unborn, rip them to shreds, then call it a 'choice'? Till I see something REAL outta that , I ain't believing a thing she says....[/quote] I second this one. I don't want to hear about "faith" from any candidate who supports the murder of unborn children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jckinsman Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 It's all politics folks and she's got her masters in it! Playing the part of "Mrs.Middle-of-the-road" Remember,Now it's show time! Get ready for the ride America! ( Hey Dust,we need little fish with a hook in it's mouth, for this political season!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofpheritup Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 [quote name='kujo' post='1289399' date='Jun 6 2007, 09:46 AM']I second this one. I don't want to hear about "faith" from any candidate who supports the murder of unborn children.[/quote] "By their fruits you shall know them." Unfortunately her fruit is a NUT. And not just her, let's be fair. Whoever said, "Talk is cheap" is a certified genius. I watch and I look and I see and then I vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Apologist Posted June 6, 2007 Author Share Posted June 6, 2007 [quote name='The Little Way' post='1289079' date='Jun 5 2007, 10:35 PM']Now really. Who are we to criticize her for this? I don't like her nor would I vote for her, but since you don't know her (or the rest of the candidates for that matter) and she's not Catholic (so we can't say she's dissenting) it seems a bit presumptuous to knock her for sharing her faith and to call her the anti-Christ. Seriously, did we read the same article?[/quote] Don't be so naive... Hillary will do whatever it takes to get a vote and appear good. You have no idea of all that the Clintons have done and unspoken crimes they have commited. There is so much shady business connected with them that if she was really repentant, or a faith based woman, i don't think she would even still be in politics. I do believe she will do ANYTHING and SAY anything to get a vote for presidency. I mean, her staying with Bill Clinton after his scandals can be seen as fidelity but also seen as a way to make good on her political carreer. (Also, it is funny that you don't see them together in the media often.) You are good to want to think the best of them and not judge. God bless you for that. But at the same time we must be wise and perhaps you have not seen or read as much as some of us regarding the Clintons. (My gosh, how many so called suicides in connection with the Clintons!) Also, i agree that calling her the anit-Christ is a strong accusation. But believing her to be this forgiving faith based woman that this article presents her to be is not knowing her AT ALL. Those who know anything about the Clintons and their whole political history would see clearly that she is just acting, pretending, feigning and probably even lying. This article is a political tactic. Take anything Hillary Clinton or any politician says now with more than just a grain of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 [quote name='kujo' post='1289399' date='Jun 6 2007, 10:46 AM']I'm not basing my opinion of her based on that one article. She's an idiot. Plain and simple.[/quote] And yet she was elected to the US Senate, twice. Until you've done that, you have no right to call her an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 Hmmmm.... while I would agree that Sen. Clinton is no idiot, I didn't realize there was a litmus test for such things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Apologist Posted June 6, 2007 Author Share Posted June 6, 2007 Also remember that Bill Clinton was going to Protestant Churches and giving talks and crying and everything... and then later we found out about the scandals. But the scandals were only on the surface. There are many worse things that are being hidden from the public. So don't by this "My faith has always been very important to me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farglefeezlebut Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 [quote name='Groo the Wanderer' post='1289372' date='Jun 6 2007, 03:09 PM']Talk is cheap...let's see some fruits. How about...I dunno...NOT voting to crush the skulls of the unborn, rip them to shreds, then call it a 'choice'? Till I see something REAL outta that , I ain't believing a thing she says....[/quote] Her actions are evil, but only God has the right to judge her as a person. Hate the sin. Love the sinner (but don't vote for her). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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