Abortion

[cmotherofpirl]

"I value democratic freedom/freedom when there is a compelling dispute above human life."

THis is your basic premise.

This is the agrument the Germans used in passing laws against catholics and jews.

I value human life no matter what secular society decides.

[_bc]

I'll just assume you don't think it's understandable for me to think it's understandable for women to think a 3 celled person is not a person.

It's interesting that you keep referring to three celled persons. Do you also think it's understandable to claim that a baby is not a person even at the stage of development where it might have a chance of survival if born prematurely?

If you do think this would be an understandable claim, I would be interested in knowing what makes it understandable to believe that a blob of tissue becomes a person simply by leaving their mother's uterus - how and why that change of scenery so fundamentally transforms the blob of tissue.

If you do not think this would be an understandable claim, do you then support a general ban on abortions from, say, the 24th week of pregnancy?

Also, please explain in general terms how your line of understandability is drawn, so that one might infer how you would apply it in other cases.

By the way, my biology is a little rusty, but I don't think there is such a thing as a three celled person. I remember learning something about the cell splits being simultaneous at first, so it would go 1-2-4-8-etc. Maybe some of all the phatmass parents know.

[dairygirl4u2c]

Are you going to superficially limit infringemnt to what you personally can know and understand?

I'd also have to say you're superficially claiming what you personally can know and understand.

so it would go 1-2-4-8-etc

well ya i noticed that. i was hoping you guys wouldn't! there's not really a 3 celled person.

i'm not even sure if i think it's murder when it's only a few cells, but i do think it's personally wrong. i know i didn't make it very clear but I do think that we should draw the line somewhere. i'd say first trimester, maybe a little before.

i know at this point you're gonna say that why not one second before etc. but since i value democratic freedom above life, i'd have to say that we have to draw it somewhere so arbitaryness is acceptable.

i want to ask a few ?'s just outta curilsity. is it murder when someone puts a males DNA from his ear into a female egg and then ends the life? also, at what point does the egg and sperm become life? is it when the sperm is part of the way through? is it when it's all the way through? When is it technically all the way combined? just wonderin what you'll say. this has no repercusions to this discussion really.

Edited February 16, 2004 by dairygirl4u2c

[littleflower+JMJ]

"I value democratic freedom/freedom when there is a compelling dispute above human life."

THis is your basic premise.

This is the agrument the Germans used in passing laws against catholics and jews.

I value human life no matter what secular society decides.

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