Do You Support World Government?

[MichaelF]

[quote name='Budge' post='1287263' date='Jun 3 2007, 02:03 PM']Question for Catholics here:

Lets say the North American Union becomes a reality what will be your opinion of this?

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Mexicans (and, to a lesser extent, Canadians) will never, short of being conquered, join a Union that would (by population, economic power and political pull) be a GrossAmerika by another name.

Will not happen.

Germany will join the Union first.

[MichaelF]

As to a Global State:

Depends.

A Christian Empire? Sure.

A further expansion of the United States (with the Bill of Right, et al)? Maybe.

A Sovereign United Nations? No. No way in hell. They are the least competent, most corrupt and antidemocratic group you will ever encounter. I'd rather have the Florida State Government rule the World, they at least are professionals.

I am forced to point out that Participatory Democracy does not scale well*, past a certain point. It's arguable that ~300 Million Americans are pushing it. Likely a government designed to rule 7 Billion wildy-varied people would not be Representative (i.e. you elect Provincial/National Leaders, who then elect the Global Council members, or whoever).



*-much like Direct Democracy (everybody votes on everything, no Representatives) couldn't be scaled up above the 5000 or so that formed the Athenian Assembly. Too many people shouting. The OODA Loop became too large.

Edited July 6, 2007 by MichaelF

[GodChaser]

[quote name='MichaelF' post='1314878' date='Jul 5 2007, 10:59 PM']As to a Global State:

Depends.

A Christian Empire? Sure.

A further expansion of the United States (with the Bill of Right, et al)? Maybe.

A Sovereign United Nations? No. No way in hell. They are the least competent, most corrupt and antidemocratic group you will ever encounter. I'd rather have the Florida State Government rule the World, they at least are professionals.

I am forced to point out that Participatory Democracy does not scale well, past a certain point. It's arguable that ~300 Million Americans are pushing it. Likely a government designed to rule 7 Billion wildy-varied people would not be Representative (i.e. you elect Provincial/National Leaders, who then elect the Global Council members, or whoever).[/quote]
Now, here is a criticial thinker I can work iwth.

A Christian Empire? I wouldn't have it. I am totally against a religion ruling over a people, because, ultimately as history has shown, no the people who are in control of the religion, such as a Pope, will ultimately start thinking no matter what they do, it's God's will and everybody else who goes against it should be exterminated. . .

A further expansion of the United States? That's not likely, because the Bill of Rights is being raped right now. To put it in President Bush's words, it's only a goddamn piece of paper!

A Sovereign United Nations? Thank God you have some sense in you. I say dissolve it right now! We don't need it! If everybody just read and obeyed their bibles, our society would be much better off.

What would you say, If I told you, we can have a society without any human-lead government whatsoever. Get rid of it, because we don't need it. We only need to Obey the 10 commandments, read the Bible every day, and pray every day, and that is the only way you had to live life?

No government having any hold on you. You just live free without President Bush saying you're not a Christian if you're not for the War on Terror! Who is he to hold such judgements!

[MichaelF]

[quote name='GodChaser' post='1314904' date='Jul 6 2007, 12:12 AM']A Christian Empire? I wouldn't have it. I am totally against a religion ruling over a people
[b]An Empire (at that level, hereditary or elective Monarchy is about as appropriate as an appointed official) that is Christian, which does not neccesarily translate to a Theocracy. Christian principles and Christian Faith. No Religious Police needed (I've been deployed to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and have had to deal with the Mutaween).[/b]



What would you say, If I told you, we can have a society without any human-lead government whatsoever. Get rid of it, because we don't need it. We only need to Obey the 10 commandments, read the Bible every day, and pray every day, and that is the only way you had to live life?

[b]Christian Anarchism (which is the technical term for what you are describing) has historically been....not so great. Seems people have a hard time obeying the Decalogue to their Neighbour's satisfaction. Puritans, Anabaptists and the Cathars all started out that way. It usually leads into a blood-drenched period, before someone finally established permanent law and order.

It has historically been condemned by the Church, as, among other reasons, the followers of Christian Anarchism had big problems with the Magisterium...[/b][/quote]

Humans are social beings, and as such, we are meant to be governed by human laws, in addition to (and in accordance with) the Divine Law.

Edited July 6, 2007 by MichaelF

[GodChaser]

[quote name='MichaelF' post='1314921' date='Jul 5 2007, 11:23 PM']Humans are social beings, and as such, we are meant to be governed by human laws, in addition to (and in accordance with) the Divine Law.[/quote]
Who says Christian Anarchism. Just common sense. I don't need human laws to live because I want to live to do what is right. People who want to live right will live right without human laws. People who don't want to live right, will find any way to do what they want.

So your heart has to be right to live that way.

I read my bible every single day. I pray to God every single day. I fellowship with like-minded believers every single day. I socialize every single day. I talk about God with people every single day. I take my dog out every single day. I try to bless the people around me. I enjoy a good joke. I work at a good job every single day.

I just believe that humanity doesn't need the current system of government. And I don't care what the manigistrum thinks of it.

[Ora et Labora]

[quote name='GodChaser' post='1314761' date='Jul 5 2007, 11:13 PM']Neither am I. But me and a good friend of mine have come to realize something really interesting from God. When these things happen, and we start to get more and more amalgamated, we need to pray to God that this doesn't work for those who want to create this system, but it will actually work against it.

God has set it up, with the Judge Not lest ye be jugded, that with every step these evil men will try to make us our slaves, and treat us like commodities, the more free we will become, which will seal their fates forever!

I am glad to be your friend SMM, because you are a part of the resistance for Christ. We will stand, and we will fight this battle, knowing, with all peace, God wins in the end![/quote]

I agree!! Very good post, thank you!

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1314778' date='Jul 5 2007, 11:19 PM']I support one world government.... Its going be great!
When Christ comes as KING![/quote]

Amen!

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1314812' date='Jul 5 2007, 11:30 PM']Yayyyy! [/quote]

Ditto!

Ok, here's a qustion that might shock all of you smart people. What does UU stand for?
Interesting debate, btw.

[MichaelF]

[quote name='GodChaser' post='1315827' date='Jul 6 2007, 10:02 PM']Who says Christian Anarchism.
[b]That is the technical term for what you are proposing. Tolstoy advocated it too.[/b]

Just common sense. I don't need human laws to live because I want to live to do what is right. People who want to live right will live right without human laws. People who don't want to live right, will find any way to do what they want.

[b]And people disagree with you slightly, then disagree over the disagreements, etc... This is why anarchism (of any stripe) usually descends into bloody purges and counterpurges.[/b]

So your heart has to be right to live that way.

[b]Which, unfortunately, does not a social contract make.[/b]

I read my bible every single day. I pray to God every single day. I fellowship with like-minded believers every single day. I socialize every single day. I talk about God with people every single day. I take my dog out every single day. I try to bless the people around me. I enjoy a good joke. I work at a good job every single day.

I just believe that humanity doesn't need the current system of government.

[b]Men must be governed. By other Men. This was true in Moses' time (God basically hands down the Israelite tribal structure), was true in Christ's time ("render unto Caesar", etc) and is true now. [/b]

And I don't care what the manigistrum thinks of it.

[b]This would likely be where we begin to disagree[/b][/quote]

[MichaelF]

[quote name='Ora et Labora' post='1316013' date='Jul 6 2007, 11:19 PM']What does UU stand for?[/quote]

Unitarian Universalist.


What do they believe? Anything you want them to.

They started out as liberal Protestants, back in the Colonial Era, but have become the [i]ne plus ultra[/i] of syncretic theology.

Edited July 7, 2007 by MichaelF

[Winchester]

Bump.