XIX Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 this was my reaction... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacus Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 [quote name='hot stuff' post='1275437' date='May 16 2007, 08:39 PM']I bet her 10 bucks that heaven and hell exist[/quote] Oh come on hot stuff... what good will 10$ do you in heaven? "Mon seul bien, est de m'accrocher a Dieu." "My only good, is to attach myself to God." Saint Augustine - City of God If those I love detach themselves from God so much that they are in hell, then they are not within God who is love, and thus any love I have for them will not reach them. If they are no longer in God, in the Love of God, then love of them is inconsequential to my hapiness which lies in God alone. It is an oxymoron, but God cannot contradict Himself. Thus, all who are dignified of love, are NOT in hell, and if I have a sliver of love for any man, then this man shall be in heaven if my love is true. Comes down to that "Can God make a rock so big even He cant lift it" thing. But I must add; for an 18 year old girl, she sure asks herself serious questions. As long as she keeps asking, she'll eventually find the truth. I ain't worried about her at all. The Truth shall come to those who seek it, and I have the impression she seeks it. Didn't bet with her though, but maybe a mention of Pascal's wager may be a good response to her 'logic'? Bet ya it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacus Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Terra Firma' post='1275449' date='May 16 2007, 08:46 PM']OK This thread is not what I was expecting ... thankfully Bare: Naked Bear: To hold up, support Grammar matters![/quote] You don't want to mess with the bears in my neighborhood... The rabbits maybe... But NOT the bears. PS: I just noticed I surpassed 4000 posts..... Now back as you were... (free T-shirts for everyone in the lobby) Edited May 17, 2007 by Didacus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clare Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 The video made me wonder.... does the fact that you might not be perfectly happy in heaven necessarily lead to the conclusion that heaven does not exist? Logically, it only means that a heaven of perfect happiness does not exist. This girl's reasoning is flawed in more ways than one. She does not realize that seeing God will make us totally happy and she does not even use logic correctly. Someone should tell her about Pascal's wager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIX Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 (edited) I personally believe there may be sorrow in heaven. Somebody stop me if I'm being heretical though. "Happy is a yuppie word" --Switchfoot Edited May 17, 2007 by XIX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo el Feo Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 [quote name='XIX' post='1275579' date='May 17 2007, 01:17 AM']I personally believe there may be sorrow in heaven. Somebody stop me if I'm being heretical though. "Happy is a yuppie word" --Switchfoot[/quote]I don't know of any Church document (e.g. a council document or a papal encyclical) which speaks about this question. The following is a link to the [i]Summa Theologica [/i](from the supplementary portion):[url="http://www.newadvent.org/summa/5094.htm"]Question 94. The relations of the saints towards the damned[/url] The Catholic Encyclopedia states:[quote]In heaven there is not the least pain or sadness; for every aspiration of nature must be finally realized. The will of the blessed is in perfect harmony with the Divine will; they feel displeasure at the sins of men, but without experiencing any real pain.[/quote] The Catholic Encyclopedia distinguishes between "sadness" and "displeasure", and the nuance of meaning they are suggesting makes sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 (edited) Holy carp. I don't understand people who broadcast themselves on youtube like this, with a webcam staring right at their emotionless face. Not only is it boring, it's repulsive. Even more repulsive when the garbage that's coming from your mouth doesn't make much sense, and is very hypocritical. "If heaven and hell don't exist, than most religions don't exist" ???? To be objective, if heaven and hell don't exist, why does that automatically mean that religion doesn't exist? Even false religions exist! What does this mean!? Maybe my brain is inferior, or this junk is too moronic for me to comprehend. Edited May 17, 2007 by Paladin D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Knight Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 (edited) She had no "absolute" evidence in her claims, only people who dont Trust in God's COMPLETE ability to block sorrowful thoughts in Heaven will be effected by this, and most of all, if God can't do something like this then He ceases to be God. Hes God because He can do ALL things that are above the ways of Man and even what Men can Do God can do better because he wouldn't be if he couldn't. Not sure where it says in the "Catechism of the Catholic Church" but I can tell you that the Prophet ISAIAH reads "His Ways are above our ways His thoughts are higher than our thoughts" thats somewhere in there. This girl obviously doesn't understand what shes saying, nor does she Trust in God's Ways and Methods. She needs to realize that God is God, He can do all things, and that Hes Creator of our existance, so if God can do this, why couldn't He do something more complex in Heaven. She needs a good talking too by some Preists and Nuns to get her "edujumacated" [b](Educated)[/b] properly on these subjects. Edited May 17, 2007 by White Knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Strikah Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Logical?? A 10 year old could come up with that conclusion. That vid is pretty sad; if you're gonna try to disprove heaven then please spend some time thinking about it. Then again she looks 10 years old lol. Stuff like this doesn't bother me, just makes me pity them. But what can we do? Can only pray for them, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted May 17, 2007 Author Share Posted May 17, 2007 [quote name='Terra Firma' post='1275449' date='May 16 2007, 09:46 PM']OK This thread is not what I was expecting ... thankfully Bare: Naked Bear: To hold up, support Grammar matters![/quote] [size=1]I was thinking about those two words intently before posting. I chose 'bare' and looked it up at dictionary.com because I wasnt sure. The first definitions were the naked ones, but further down they started talking about handling, or carrying. So I chose it. AND NOW I REALIZE THEY CHANGED THE WORD HALFWAY DOWN THE PAGE...why would they do that?? Oops. [/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 [quote name='CrossCuT' post='1275651' date='May 17 2007, 06:45 AM'][size=1]I was thinking about those two words intently before posting. I chose 'bare' and looked it up at dictionary.com because I wasnt sure. The first definitions were the naked ones, but further down they started talking about handling, or carrying. So I chose it. AND NOW I REALIZE THEY CHANGED THE WORD HALFWAY DOWN THE PAGE...why would they do that?? Oops. [/size][/quote] well now you know : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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