Devout Catholic Colleges?

[farglefeezlebut]

I think it's better to go somewhere secular, so there are more opportunities for evangelization.

[jkaands]

Well, I'm looking at the 1768 page 2007 US News & World Report Ultimate College Guide...

Thousands of universities and colleges...

rankings are national leaders--first tier; regional leaders for lib arts and universities--second tier. Third and fourth tiers are after that.

[b]Ave Maria [/b]is not listed.

[b]Magdalen[/b] is not listed.

[b]Steubenville:[/b] www.franciscan.edu 1818 full time rank: #30 in Midwest Universities; SAT 25/75th: 1060-1290; tuit $17,350. ave debt on grad: $26,192.

[b]Christendom[/b]: 372 students, coed, 4th tier (out of 4 tiers; 1st tier is highest) of liberal arts colleges. www.christendom,edu. tuition $15,800. 76% accepted.

[b]Benedictine[/b], Atchison KA www.benedictine.edu. third tier; 1,176 full time. tuit $25,760/yr. Ave graduating debt $22,333.

[b]Thos Aquinas[/b] Santa Paula CA www.thomasaquinas.edu 359 full time coed; 73rd rank liberal arts colleges; tuit $19,300. Average debt at grad $14,000-fairly low. Also the ranking is higher than many Catholic colleges.
[b]
St Mary's[/b] San Antonio, www.stmarytx.edu 2,185 fulltime rank 15th 9regional, west) universities tuit $20,534. ave debt at grad; $25,736.

[b]Belmont NC[/b] 800 full time, 90 part time; Rank: 33rd south (regional) tuit: $17,728. Ave grad debt: $18,950. 76% accepted.

[b]Gonzaga [/b]in Spokane ranks high. 4000 students, rank #3 university in regional (west) tuition 25,000. ave debt 23,000. more selective-don't know how they determine this, but SAT range 1100-1300; acceptance rate 73%.

It would be very unwise to attend a college that has no ranking and is unaccredited. College credits may not transfer and much work may have to be repeated.

The best schools generally speaking will be in the first and second tiers. All the rest depends on the majors, the aid package, the location, the size, and your impression when you visit.

There are a lot of other lists which can be gone over later, such as which schools offer the most need-based aid; most and least debt; the best deals.

[MissScripture]

[quote name='reelguy227' post='1278299' date='May 20 2007, 11:19 PM']I already checked out Benedictine, they don't offer the majors I'm looking for. But thanks anyway. Has anyone heard of College of St. Benedict-Saint John's University. It's a joint University in Minnesota? Seemed pretty good to me.[/quote]
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO! THEY ARE NOT GOOD! THEY ALMOST ATE MY BROTHERS!
*deep breath*
Okay, both my brothers went to SJU, and while it is good academically, the professors are really nice for the most party, they are NOT good religiously. My oldest brother...well, he was a theology/philosophy major and he left the school no longer Catholic. He has since returned, but it was REALLY bad. They are not orthodox AT ALL. My other brother forbade me from going to St. Ben's. (St. Ben's is girls, St. John's is boys) He is in comp sci and psychology, and has done really well, so they are good in that regards, as far as academics. It's really far off in religious, though. Like, really, way far, to the point of ridiculous. The nuns? Yeah, they're the sort that want women as priests. And think abortion is okay. Like, Roe v. Wade day, my brothers said they had stuff written on the sidewalks in chalk SUPPORTING the decision! Granted, not ALL the nuns are like that. There are some very fine nuns out there, but by and large, it is NOT a good, orthodox, Catholic supporting environment.
I could keep going, but, I'll leave it at this for now. Suffice it to say, don't be fooled by a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[jkaands]

[quote name='MissScripture' date='May 30 2007, 11:33 PM' post='1284984']
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO! THEY ARE NOT GOOD! THEY ALMOST ATE MY BROTHERS!
*deep breath*

Yikes!

golly whiz!!

Well, anyway, here are the stats.

[b]St Johns Univ Collegeville MN[/b]

-69th in overall ranking of all liberal arts colleges-- this is relatively high.

-rated as More Selective[b][/b] Tuit $25,000. ave debt $24, 663. acceptance rate 87% prop who borrowed 63%

-1845 full time students; 30 part time. 63% RC.

www.csbsju.edu

[b]College of St. Benedict: [/b]in nearby St. Joseph: the woman's college.

2000 full time, 50 part time ;RC 66%; 86% acceptance rate ; Tuit $25,000 ; ave debt; $24,700 %; borrowed 72%

same website as St. John’s-I assume that they can take classes at each others' schools, but don't know.

BTW, do you know who was scribbling on the sidewalk on "Roe vs. Wade" day? Was it a nun? Prob a student. Free speech is in the Constitution, you know...

I have two older brothers and I made sure that they had nothing to say about where I went to college!

[b]Things to consider when selecting any college:[/b]

*% full time students AND faculty. You don’t want commuter campus unless you’re a commuter.Similarly, you don't want a lot of part-time faculty. It smacks of cost-cutting--no benefits--and you can't reach them outside of class. They might be less engaged in teaching because they don't have a full commitment to the school

*% retention rate, indicates the measure of satisfaction and degree of financial support. You don't want to make a lot of friends, only to see them leave.

*Advantage of a Catholic school, for the phatmasser effect-an RC community. You can take classes in religion and go to daily mass. Also may have religious/priests/seminarians on campus.

*% male/female in coed school. In many schools, women are in a majority, and have higher admission scores. Formerly women’s colleges now accept men to boost enrollments, but men are often not as qualified as the women in these schools. Better if the numbers and qualifications are more equal, or school was co-ed from its founding, OR is a women’s school. this will lower the morale of the women.

*More bang for the buck at a more selective school.

*Re going to a RC school: there are also good arguments for being in a minority; the ‘missionary’ effect in a secular school or a “bad” RC school, even a Jesuit school! There is an outstanding prep school in Atlanta, which is Christian, with a mandatory class in New Testament and a born-again headmaster; the school was very popular with Jewish families, as they wanted to send their kids to a school where they would be an embattled minority!

[jiyoung]

I really don't think the "missionary effect" is the best mindset to go into a school with. If you're studying theology especially, you should be very careful as to what kind of program you're getting into--I chose Franciscan because it has a great faculty that is faithful to the Magisterium. I would say it's better to go to a secular school with an excellent Newman's center or a church with a good young adult/etc group rather than a "bad" Catholic school--you may think you can guard yourself from heresy, but it's subtle. College are some of your most formative years--you are made into who you will be for the rest of your life in most cases. I know what I want to be like, and I know that while I may have a firm resolve now, if I had chosen a school with immoral students all over the place, I may have become like them. It's not by my choice but almost osmosis, I guess--and I know some people who were strong Catholics before who changed a lot. It's dangerous territory.

I vote FUS! lol. Ave isn't accredited, unfortunately, but it's a great school as well--very rigorous academics.

[TotusTuusMaria]

[center]J.M.J.[/center]
[quote]It would be very unwise to attend a college that has no ranking and is unaccredited. College credits may not transfer and much work may have to be repeated.

The best schools generally speaking will be in the first and second tiers. All the rest depends on the majors, the aid package, the location, the size, and your impression when you visit.

There are a lot of other lists which can be gone over later, such as which schools offer the most need-based aid; most and least debt; the best deals.[/quote]

Although all of this is good to know and reasonable, I believe that right up there with ranking and unaccredited should be one's faith (if not higher above both of them).

The purpose of an education is to learn and seek truth. No matter how much ranking a school has one should look at it's purpose and mission. Is the school truly trying to seek truth? Are they even teaching truth? Do they even want to even try to seek truth? Are they more concerned with their ranking, image, and having the most "successful" grads in the world's eyes? These questions truly determine whether a school is honestly "the best".

It is not wrong at all to think about if the school your attending has a high ranking, is accredited, has a good financial situation for you, and all the other things. That is all very reasonable. But still, one must always keep in mind that if you walk in the path and way of God that he will reward you more than you could ever imagine. Our souls are more precious then anything else. It would be a tragedy to neglect our souls spiritually (or even risk neglecting them) so that we can have a better chance at being successful in the world's eyes. When we die we will not be judged by how successful we were, by what job we had, how many hours we put in, what position we had in society, if the school we attended had ranking. We will be judged by the state of our souls and the way we lived our lives.

I have never met anyone who gave themselves totally over to the Lord (when it came to education) that did not receive a million blessings both financial and spiritual in the future for it. This is a big decision, and ranking and accreditation (both [b]very important[/b]) should not be the determining factor, but rather God's will should. I still suggest you pray about this.

[MissScripture]

[quote name='jkaands' post='1286652' date='Jun 2 2007, 04:50 PM'][quote name='MissScripture' post='1284984' date='May 30 2007, 11:33 PM']
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO! THEY ARE NOT GOOD! THEY ALMOST ATE MY BROTHERS!
*deep breath*

Yikes!

golly whiz!!

Well, anyway, here are the stats.

[b]St Johns Univ Collegeville MN[/b]

-69th in overall ranking of all liberal arts colleges-- this is relatively high.

-rated as More Selective[b][/b] Tuit $25,000. ave debt $24, 663. acceptance rate 87% prop who borrowed 63%

-1845 full time students; 30 part time. 63% RC.

www.csbsju.edu

[b]College of St. Benedict: [/b]in nearby St. Joseph: the woman's college.

2000 full time, 50 part time ;RC 66%; 86% acceptance rate ; Tuit $25,000 ; ave debt; $24,700 %; borrowed 72%

same website as St. John’s-I assume that they can take classes at each others' schools, but don't know.

BTW, do you know who was scribbling on the sidewalk on "Roe vs. Wade" day? Was it a nun? Prob a student. Free speech is in the Constitution, you know...

I have two older brothers and I made sure that they had nothing to say about where I went to college![/quote]

First, I'm sorry your relationships was so poor with your brothers that you didn't take into account their opinions. The reason my brother forbade me from going there was because he knew I would be very unhappy in that situation. He said it because he CARED, not because he was being tyrranical.

Secondly, I guess I do not PERSONALLY know that the nuns wrote that, it is what I was told by people who were there. And after personal dealings with them, and other shenanigans that have gone on out there, that would fit the bill. Some of the nuns DO support abortion, and gay marriage and female priests. They were the sort who were very upset about Pope Benedict being elected. It is not the sort of place that a typical Phatmasser would fit right in. The nuns and St. Ben's is known around here for their liberal views. And you do NOT have the freedom to deface private property.

Thirdly, yes, all the classes at St. Ben's and St. John's are together. You can take one class on one campus and then have your next class on the other campus. They have buses between the campuses. And I think they are finally putting both names on diplomas...that is acutally one disadvantage of St. Ben's. Because everything is seperated as far as St. Ben's is the girls, St. John's is the guys, the girls do not have "University" in the title of their school. That is a disadvantage when going to grad school. I know that came to be an issue when my sis-in-laws (who both attended St. Ben's) were applying.

Fourthly, the number of students who are "Catholic" would be whoever considers themselves Catholic when fililng out paperwork for the school. That does not mean that these people will actually participate in anything that is truly Catholic, or even support Catholic teaching in any manner. This applies to any college, I'm not saying it exclusively about St. John's/St. Ben's.

Edited June 4, 2007 by MissScripture

[Maria_Faustina]

Does anyone know anything (regarding devoutness and orthodoxy and such) about Dominican University, in River Forest, IL? (Before I consider it too much!)

[TotusTuusMaria]

[quote name='Maria_Faustina' post='1288437' date='Jun 4 2007, 10:54 PM']Does anyone know anything (regarding devoutness and orthodoxy and such) about Dominican University, in River Forest, IL? (Before I consider it too much!)[/quote]


Dominican University is planning V-Monologues events, so I seriously question there devoutness and orthodoxy.

Edited June 7, 2007 by TotusTuusMaria

[Maria_Faustina]

Oh, wow; yeah, I guess that would tell me something about them. They seemed like a good enough school, but I guess you can't really tell about everything from brochures you get in the mail. Thanks for letting me know...

[Fr. Antony Maria OSB]

If you want a list of the schools in the US that have the Mandatum, there's a list here: [url="http://ncregister.com/info/2006_collegiate_guide"]http://ncregister.com/info/2006_collegiate_guide[/url]. I'd take a look more into the one's your interested in, though, because a lot of them on the list are very small (less than 100 or haven't opened yet) or are online universities, so that would not help with formation in a Catholic life.

I'm also looking at colleges right now, and I was wondering if anyone had anymore info on Benedictine College in KS?

May God bless and protect you always in all of your endeavors!

Your Brother in Christ,

Joe

[jiyoung]

Benedictine sounds like a good school as far as faithfulness to the Magisterium, but I don't really know much more beyond that...I basically decided against it because I didn't want to be in Kansas...heh.

[Josie07]

It probably was already said.. but Thomas Moore In NH

[Veritas]

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If there was some interest in Minnesota Schools, consider the University of Saint Thomas. They offer SOLID education in the areas you are looking at (business, acounting, economics, japanese) and the Catholic Studies is totally orthodox. The administration has some wacos but there are lots of solid profs in Catholic Studies, Philosophy, Theology, and Business. Just take classes from prof's, who double teach in Catholic Studies. Furthermore, things are just going to get better with our new head -Archbishop Nienstedt!!!! There are TONS of really good Catholic kids here. We have student led perpetual adoration, a Catholic women's floor and a few Catholic men's houses for people, who really want to intentionally live the faith together -like pray rosaries and liturgy of the hours. Saint John Vianney Minor Seminary is also here. They are crusading for Christ and his Church BIG TIME on campus under the fantastic Seminary leadership. There are a couple hundred men there. Not to mention the major seminary across the street, which is experiencing a fantastic revival under the new rector, Monsignor Callahan. Here, you have both the opportunity for evangelization AND solid education, formation, and fraternity (just go to CS!).

Oh, and the campus is GORGEOUS and Saint Paul is a REALLY fun town! Lots of good restaurants, shopping, parks, excellent healthcare, clean air,...

www.stthomas.edu

[url="http://www.stthomas.edu/cathstudies/"]http://www.stthomas.edu/cathstudies/[/url]

(a lot of people double or triple major in Catholic Studies -don't forget the semester in Rome!)

Edited June 18, 2007 by Veritas

[Maria_Faustina]

I was going to ask about Creighton as well--my mom seems to be interested in it, and I thought it would be worth it to look around their website--but I think I found an answer regarding "devoutness." I am shocked--they have a Gay-Straight Alliance, and a webpage for it, meetings every week apparently, and in their group 'purpose statement' they mention only that they are trying to get everyone to accept rather than discriminate towards them. I have no problem with that in itself; NO one should be prejudiced towards ANYone, for any reason. But the group seems to think it is okay to advertise and act upon, if they are not straight, their sexual orientation as well.

Perhaps someone that goes to Creighton here can explain some things to me; if I just happened to get entirely the wrong impression from the webpage/information/pictures. (I wasn't looking to start a discussion about Catholic colleges and their students' sexual orientations either... I'm just wondering/worried about Creighton a little...)