Bbc To Broadcast Gay Mass From San Francisco

[Budge]

[quote]But your big paintbrush painting our clergy as corrupt because of [b]a few[/b] is sickening. I'm giving you a public warning. Stop the cleric bashing or you're going to have to take a break.[/quote]

[b]A few?[/b]

You think its "bashing" for a Christian to make a stand against people promoting homosexuality?

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Budge' post='1259298' date='Apr 28 2007, 10:22 PM']One thing I have noticed that since the sex scandals Catholics have become more and more passive.[/quote]
Interesting that you know everything that Catholics are doing. You must have a great view from the outside. I see exactly the opposite.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Budge' post='1259302' date='Apr 28 2007, 10:24 PM'][b]A few?[/b]

You think its "bashing" for a Christian to make a stand against people promoting homosexuality?[/quote]
No. I don't think you've found anyone here who promotes homosexuality. But you are wrong if you think that the attitudes of a few in California are those of all priests and bishops.

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Budge' post='1259298' date='Apr 28 2007, 09:22 PM']Yeah but unlike you folks, I dont make excuses for the bad apples or help legitimize their actions by being outraged at anyone exposing their wicked deeds. I want BAD Baptists and or other Bible Christians exposed so they do not lead others into perdition. That includes Baptist interfaithers--yes they do exist, and others.

I have made stands against Dominionism within even my own church. What is the Catholic way today but to blindly follow and remain silent in the face of evil? One thing I have noticed that since the sex scandals Catholics have become more and more passive.[/quote]
Again with the ad hominem attacks

This is a debate board, not a bashing board.

Are you really at the point that all you have left is bashing character? If you can't debate the actual teachings of the Church, and all you have left is attacking the character of Her members, then maybe you need to examine the reason you are not Catholic. Is it truly because of a legitimate disagreement with a church teaching, or because you can't deal with your own hatred?

Because I gotta say, I haven't seen one rational argument against Church teachings in this whole thread. Or in any of your posts.

[homeschoolmom]

See, because a debate might go something like this:

Budge: This practice is going on in SF and is an abomination and should be stopped.
The rest of PM: You're right.

End of debate.

[Didymus]

[quote name='Budge' post='1259298' date='Apr 28 2007, 10:22 PM']One thing I have noticed that since the sex scandals Catholics have become more and more passive.[/quote]

1. No, unfortunately what you are noticing has been since the experimentations with abuses in the 60s and 70s, it's not some phenomenon that developed after the scandals were 'made public.'

2. Part of what you are denoting as 'passive' has to do with the fact that we (as lay people) can't do anything else about the matter and we are just getting sick and tired of the media spoon feeding anti-Catholic bs into the mouths of the public when anyone of intelligence had realized from the start the whole issue was NOTHING particular to the Church. We knew there were scandals in the Church. We knew there were cover ups. But the media focused on the Church, even though there are doctors that get away unscathed after doing the very same thing, even though there are teachers that get away unscathed after doing the very same thing, even though there are protestant ministers that get away unscathed after doing the very same thing, even though there are camp chaperones and counselors that get away unscathed after doing the very same thing. We became sick of it.

[CatholicCid]

Here's a little follow up I haven't seen posted

[quote][b]San Francisco Archdiocese on BBC "Gay Mass": It was not a Mass and We Didn't Endorse it[/b]

By Hilary White

SAN FRANCISCO, April 27, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Archdiocese of San Francisco is refuting the Evening Standard's claim that a service to be broadcast worldwide this Sunday by the BBC from a San Francisco parish is a "gay Mass".

With the headline, "BBC to broadcast gay mass from San Francisco" the Evening Standard reported today that the event, recorded last October 22, was presided over by Jesuit Fr. Donal Godfrey with preaching from one of Britain's leading homosexual theologians, James Allison. The Standard reported that the "Mass" will feature prayers and readings tailored for the gay community.

Maurice Healy, Communications Director for the Archdiocese, however, was adamant that what will be broadcast is neither a Mass nor endorsed by the Archdiocese. Healy told LifeSiteNews.com, "The event was not, repeat not a 'gay mass' it was a prayer service organized by Jesuit father Donal Godfrey."

Healy said, "I'm told that he organized it. It was not an archdiocesan function and the archdiocese was not aware of the BBC broadcast."[/quote]

[url="http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/apr/07042705.html"]http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/apr/07042705.html[/url]

[Paladin D]

[size=7][b]AH-HA![/b][/size]

The Galactic Empire is triumphant again!



[b]"I will create a grand army of the Vatican [i](the Republic)[/i], to counter the increasing threat of the heretics [i](Separatists)[/i]!"[/b] - Pope Benedict XVI (Star Wars inspired line taken from SW: Episode II)

Edited April 29, 2007 by Paladin D

[Budge]

DAMAGE CONTROL TIME.

Hurry put the [mod]Most Holy Eucharist -Aloysius[/mod] away so we can say its a prayer service!

{like it being a "prayer service" makes this any better}

New Post Re: BBC to broadcast GAY MASS from San Francisco Its DAMAGE CONTROL TIME...

Notice the TWO WEASLES...

{its a "prayer service" not a Mass--like that makes everything all better} :rolleyes

and the archdiocese didnt "endorse" this...[but they sure are allowing it to go on]

Now remember this gay event is listed directly on the church link,

[quote] Quote:
San Francisco Archdiocese on BBC "Gay Mass": It was not a Mass and We Didn't Endorse it

By Hilary White

SAN FRANCISCO, April 27, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Archdiocese of San Francisco is refuting the Evening Standard's claim that a service to be broadcast worldwide this Sunday by the BBC from a San Francisco parish is a "gay Mass".

With the headline, "BBC to broadcast gay mass from San Francisco" the Evening Standard reported today that the event, recorded last October 22, was presided over by Jesuit Fr. Donal Godfrey with preaching from one of Britain's leading homosexual theologians, James Allison. The Standard reported that the "Mass" will feature prayers and readings tailored for the gay community.

[b]Maurice Healy, Communications Director for the Archdiocese, however, was adamant that what will be broadcast is neither a Mass nor endorsed by the Archdiocese. Healy told LifeSiteNews.com, "The event was not, repeat not a 'gay mass' it was a prayer service organized by Jesuit father Donal Godfrey."
[/b]
Healy said, "I'm told that he organized it. It was not an archdiocesan function and the archdiocese was not aware of the BBC broadcast."

The BBC's Radio4 Religion and Ethics Sunday Worship program will broadcast the event held last October 22 at Holy Redeemer by Fr. Godfrey, of the University of San Francisco.

Godfrey, of the University of San Francisco, is a regular at Holy Redeemer and focused on the openly gay-supporting parish for his Doctorate of Ministry degree. [b]On October 8th 2006, he gave a homily there entitled, "Finding God in the Erotic."[/b]
[b]
The sermon to be broadcast this weekend was presented by James Allison, a homosexual theologian and author of the book, "Faith Beyond Resentment: Fragments Catholic and Gay," that is described as "a stunningly original re-imagining of the Catholic faith…from the gay perspective."[/b] The British Allison has also authored "Is it ethical to be Catholic? - qwerty perspectives."

Holy Redeemer is well known as the "gay" parish of San Francisco and sponsors a contingent of parishioners who march in matching t-shirts identifying their affiliation with the parish in the Gay Pride parade. The parish website carries photos of the pastor of Holy Redeemer, Fr. Stephen Meriwether, dressed in Mass vestments blessing the participants outside the church.

Lewd homosexual bingo nights staged as benefits for the parish's AIDS ministry in which sex-toys and pornographic DVDs were handed out as prizes, were stopped after the events became public and the archdiocese received complaints. The bingos were organized by the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, a radical homosexual activist group who dress up in bizarre parodies of nuns' costumes and are widely known for hostility towards the Catholic Church.

When asked about the participation of the parish in the Gay Pride parade, Healy responded, "[b]Their participation could be seen as a way of outreaching. They don't have the archdiocese' approval but Catholics are independent minded people."[/b]


When asked directly if Holy Redeemer is the gay parish in San Francisco, Healy said, "These are complex issues." He continued, "We don't make differentiations between gay parishes and other parishes. We don't take a census about ethnicity, or homosexual orientation."[/quote]


Keep in mind, if this guy got married, he would be gone.

Gay masses um "prayer services" everything's supposely fine? I dont think so.

[Budge]

Paladin, be careful of those Star Wars referneces..

This fits, way too good...

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ9sJVJMiYM"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ9sJVJMiYM[/url]

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Budge' post='1259510' date='Apr 29 2007, 08:13 AM']DAMAGE CONTROL TIME.

Hurry put the wafer away so we can say its a prayer service!

{like it being a "prayer service" makes this any better}

New Post Re: BBC to broadcast GAY MASS from San Francisco Its DAMAGE CONTROL TIME...

Notice the TWO WEASLES...

{its a "prayer service" not a Mass--like that makes everything all better} :rolleyes

and the archdiocese didnt "endorse" this...[but they sure are allowing it to go on]

Now remember this gay event is listed directly on the church link,
Keep in mind, if this guy got married, he would be gone.

Gay masses um "prayer services" everything's supposely fine? I dont think so.[/quote]
Yeah ... the church may be powerful, but as far as I know we don't yet have time travel technology to go back to October to stop it. And last time I checked, the church doesn't have editorial control over the BBC.

And again, what is your point with bringing all this up? What does it prove, in your mind?

[homeschoolmom]

Some people just want to hate.

[Budge]

[quote]Some people just want to hate.[/quote]

Thats what all the militant homosexuals keep repeating as they shill for "special rights" and to take over your church to preach a false pro-homosexuality gospel.

What is your point in ignoring everything and getting more angry at the messenger then at the corruption happening in your church?

APATHY, thats the word coming to me here.

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Budge' post='1259516' date='Apr 29 2007, 08:45 AM']Thats what all the militant homosexuals keep repeating as they shill for "special rights" and to take over your church to preach a false pro-homosexuality gospel.

What is your point in ignoring everything and getting more angry at the messenger then at the corruption happening in your church?

APATHY, thats the word coming to me here.[/quote]
I hate to be repetitive but you seem to have missed my question.

[quote name='Terra Firma' post='1259513' date='Apr 29 2007, 08:25 AM']And again, what is your point with bringing all this up? What does it prove, in your mind?[/quote]

Because if you're trying to discredit the Church by pointing out the flaws of her members, we're still stuck in logical fallacy mode.

[Budge]

[quote]Because if you're trying to discredit the Church by pointing out the flaws of her members,[/quote]

This has to do with the [b]flaws of a false LEADERSHIP[/b] not the people in the pews.