VeraMaria Posted January 29, 2004 Author Share Posted January 29, 2004 I gave a speech on abortion, man did I get into that one!! Any way one thing that I emphasized was the def. for alive Define "Alive"Alive means that this being is growing, developing, maturing, and replacing its own dying cells. It means not being dead. If a person starts out as a few cells, they are obviously growing. Here's some websites I used to get good info: http://abortionfacts.com/ http://www.gravityteen.com/insp.cfm http://www.priestsforlife.org/testimony/audreytestimony.html http://roevwade.org/ http://www.christianglobe.com/Illustration...sp?whichOne=a&w hichFile=abortion http://www.tennessean.com/sii/99/09/07/fetus07.shtml Congrats on sticking up for what cha believe, a lot of people don't do that, esp. around their friends. Thanks for the links! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful1 Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Vera you are amesome, and for all that you have to put up with, you are far more courageous than i am. I'm taking a human development class right now, and unfortunately i'm afraid it's going to actually support abortion. I don't know what the discussion will be like for you, but for me the hardest to defend is before it is 8-9 wks for people who want to secularize the debate (since this seems to be for the most part a religious issue to some, but then again there are also many people from all walks of life that defend this position as well). Maybe this post might give me some courage to speak up. Good Luck :cheer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marielapin Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 I had a sonogram of my baby at 7 weeks. You could clearly see the head, arms, legs and the HEARTBEAT. 'Nuff said. The example about taking off a skin cell is null and void in this argument. The "fetus" doesn't even have the same genetic makeup as you do, so it's not the same thing. Not same genetic makeup=not your own cells=somebody else's cells Heck a "fetus" can even have a totally different blood type than the mother does. Skin cells are not the same thing as baby cells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Yeah, I've never understood the way pro-aborts think on this point. So when do they think they came into existence? It's easy to say when they didn't exist. Before conception there was no "thing" that could be identified as that person. No living entity with it's own dynamisms of growth, no genetic code for that person's body, etc.. So it seems obvious that if you trace your own existence back in time the first moment of your being is at conception. I don't understand what is so hard to understand with that?? What is concieved then? Since conception means something new coming into being. It's a "new" life, and a human life at that which seems rather important. If you could go back in time and destroy the new conception in one of those pro-abort's mother's wombs you would be killing that person, they wouldn't exist anymore, they would be dead. A 'new life' would have been destroyed. What kind of arguments do they make against this anyway? It seems like such an obvious thing. I'm not even going to answer the skin cell thing because it's just lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Vera, I agree with the "picture approach". I never was fervent about abortion until I saw the pictures. Although I was on a "Face the Truth" demonstration over the summer with Joe Scheidler's group and one woman shouted at me from her car at how sick the pictures were, saying even though it is murder, it is a woman's choice. (sigh...) One caution, though. Do you foresee any physical violence from them if you show pictures? Also, you may want to have a contact with the Catholic League or some other Catholic/Christian civil liberties group in case the school administration harasses you if you have the pictures on school grounds. I've heard of cases of harassment of students who wear clothing that simply have a pro-life verbal message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty_boy Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Good Job VeraMaria! ROCK ON YOUNG TEAM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickRitaMichael Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Hey Vera, I think it's B.S. that they say the majority of pro-lifers are men. Women are more likely to be prolife than men are, check the stats. Also, I'm copying some info from "The Feminist Case Against Abortion" by Serrin Foster, of Feminists for Life. You can tell them that it was MEN who started all this abortion junk in the first place! "Betty Friedan, credited with reawakening feminism in the 1960's with her landmark book, The Feminine Mystique, did not even mention abortion in the early edition. It was not until 1966 that NOW included abortion in its list of goals. Even then abortion was a low priority. It was a man - abortion rights activist Larry Lader, who remains active today - who credits himself with guiding a reluctant Friedan to make abortion an issue for NOW. Lader had been working to repeal the abortion laws based on population growth concerns, but state legislators were horrified by his ideas. (Immigration and improved longevity were fueling America's population growth - not reproduction, which in fact had declined dramatically.) Lader teamed up with a gynecologist, Bernard Nathanson, to co-found the National Alliance to Repeal Abortion Laws, the forerunner of today's National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League (NARAL). Lader suggested to the NOW leadership that all feminist demands (equal education, jobs, pay, etc.) hinged on a woman's ability to control her own body and procreation. After all, employers did not want to pay for maternity benefits or lose productivity when a mother took time off to care for a newborn or sick child. Lader convinced the NOW leadership that legalized abortion was the key to the workplace. Dr. Nathanson, who later became a pro-life activist, states in his book, Aborting America, that the two were able to convince Friedan that abortion was a civil rights issue. Later he admitted that they simply made up the numbers of women dying from illegal abortions, which had been a major point in their argument. " The rest of the article is here: http://www.feministsforlife.com/news/commonw.htm if you want to check it out. It's really good. Good luck talking to those girls. I'm glad you had the courage to speak out!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeraMaria Posted January 30, 2004 Author Share Posted January 30, 2004 Wow, thank you, thank you, thank yoyu all! I didn't get to talk to them today, but to my friends I did, and we shared our pro-life views....amesome I only saw one of them once today and she mouthed at me "Rights to choose" and i mouthed back "Abortion is murder" and she mouthed back "It's a fetus" and me and my friend (who was next to me and sort of understoof what the other girl was saying) both yelled "No it's NOT, it's a child!" and well, we were in the middle of a class.... it was quite funny actually. But tomorrow we'll get to talk about it really. I'll keep you updated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 On a positive note, it's a good thing you have some like-minded friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 vera you are soo amesome. you did such a great job defending life!!! you make us all so proud!! :wub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marielapin Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Since when did the word fetus mean that it is not something alive, or worthy of the same dignity it would have once it was born? fe·tus ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fts) n. pl. fe·tus·es The unborn young of a viviparous vertebrate having a basic structural resemblance to the adult animal. In humans, the unborn young from the end of the eighth week after conception to the moment of birth, as distinguished from the earlier embryo. Um, nowhere does it say it is not alive. If scientists can classify a VIRUS as being alive, how come this "fetus" is somehow not alive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful1 Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Since when did the word fetus mean that it is not something alive, or worthy of the same dignity it would have once it was born? fe·tus ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fts) n. pl. fe·tus·es The unborn young of a viviparous vertebrate having a basic structural resemblance to the adult animal. In humans, the unborn young from the end of the eighth week after conception to the moment of birth, as distinguished from the earlier embryo. Um, nowhere does it say it is not alive. If scientists can classify a VIRUS as being alive, how come this "fetus" is somehow not alive? my guess is that it has something to do with viability, but doesn't that mostly depend on technology as well ( note to self " study abortion facts for human dev" i sense a debate coming up in the near future) :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 What was the publication? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marielapin Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 I thought this was appropriate to post here: Does Life Begin Only When the Fetus is Viable? http://www.christiananswers.net/q-sum/q-life020.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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