How To Defeat Sin

[Anthony]

[quote name='Budge' post='1248000' date='Apr 18 2007, 12:06 PM']God can take away any sin, are you born agian? The Holy Spirit can give you victory over any sin, its not a matter of a magic formula or certain amount of days. Some people when born again have been saved from addiction instantaneously.

be careful johnny, Im not sure a mother-obessesion is a healthy thing in a young male...picturing yourself as a young toddler? isnt that regressive?

I disagree with celibacy being for everyone, and that is something your church is imposing on you that is wrong.[/quote]

With all do respect Budge, stop adding your two cents where it is not needed. Just go away. Your opinion is not needed here.

[Anthony]

[quote name='Budge' post='1248042' date='Apr 18 2007, 01:07 PM']Sheesh, I didnt tell him to go out and HAVE CASUAL SEX.

My message is GO LOOK FOR A WIFE, [if hes old enough}



If he wants to find a wife, he better stop with the pretend toddler and Mary stuff, he will creep out any potential girl friends![/quote]

Any woman that didn't have a profound love for Mary as our mother would not be a suitable wife for me. What is your deal. You don't get it, do you. Satan is working through you and frankly, you are just not doing a good job converting people to Budgeism. We'll continue to pray through the intercession of our Blessed mother for you, Budge.

[Starets]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1248016' date='Apr 18 2007, 01:18 PM']I have met many born agains who have fallen off whatever wagon they have previously claimed to be on. They get "saved" when the revival tents go up and several weeks or months later are being arrested for the same crimes they started out with. The Holy Spirit can give you instantaneously a victory, but generally its a long haul out of sin, with many starts stops and failures along the way. THis is probably healthier than a "instant cure" because those people are usually inflicted with a sense of pride, which is far more sinful than their original vice.[/quote]

So have I. I wonder if part of the problem is that the fundamentalist "plan of salvation" (admit you are a sinner, believe in Christ for the remission of your sins, turn your life over to Jesus letting Him be Lord of your life) matches almost exactly the first three steps of AA's 12-steps (admitted we were powerless over alcohol, that our lives had become unmanageable, came to believe a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity, made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him). Spiritual growth from then onwards was little more than sticking your fingers in your ear and shouting "I'm a new creation!!! lalalala!!! I'm a new creation!!!" At least in my experience as a tweenaged fundamentalist. So the initial addiction becomes masked by another addiction. Eventually the high goes away and the initial addiction returns. The earlier addictive behavior simply got transferred to Jesus. It hasn't been eradicated by Jesus. And thats the problem.

It seems to me that a catholic understanding of salvation is more like the full 12 steps. Salvation is both a one-shot deal and also a continual process of renewal. It is both "I am saved" and also "I am being saved". Well ok there is also "I will be saved" so it in actuality goes beyond the 12 steps. Fundamentalist salvation theology seems to stop at "I am saved".

Now, mind you, I have no formal theological training so I may be compleely off the wall

[johnnydigit]

[quote name='Budge' post='1248000' date='Apr 18 2007, 10:06 AM']God can take away any sin, are you born agian? The Holy Spirit can give you victory over any sin, its not a matter of a magic formula or certain amount of days. Some people when born again have been saved from addiction instantaneously.[/quote]

and then when these "saved" people fall, we just assume "well they were never truly saved then." so which is it? how do you know for sure?

[quote name='Budge' post='1248000' date='Apr 18 2007, 10:06 AM']be careful johnny, Im not sure a mother-obessesion is a healthy thing in a young male...picturing yourself as a young toddler? isnt that regressive?[/quote]

it's called humility. a [b]child[/b] of God has some of that. i tried to respect you being new here and all, but you make it very difficult to see any God in you whatsoever.

yes, i also imagine sitting at the foot of God. are you going to insinuate a foot fettish? very distasteful comments you are making, Budge.

[quote name='Anthony' post='1248153' date='Apr 18 2007, 02:13 PM']Any woman that didn't have a profound love for Mary as our mother would not be a suitable wife for me. What is your deal. You don't get it, do you. Satan is working through you and frankly, you are just not doing a good job converting people to Budgeism. We'll continue to pray through the intercession of our Blessed mother for you, Budge.[/quote]

she knows exactly what she is doing. it is entertainment for her. i think she just needs a hug.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Staretz' post='1248233' date='Apr 18 2007, 07:28 PM']So have I. I wonder if part of the problem is that the fundamentalist "plan of salvation" (admit you are a sinner, believe in Christ for the remission of your sins, turn your life over to Jesus letting Him be Lord of your life) matches almost exactly the first three steps of AA's 12-steps (admitted we were powerless over alcohol, that our lives had become unmanageable, came to believe a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity, made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him). Spiritual growth from then onwards was little more than sticking your fingers in your ear and shouting "I'm a new creation!!! lalalala!!! I'm a new creation!!!" At least in my experience as a tweenaged fundamentalist. So the initial addiction becomes masked by another addiction. Eventually the high goes away and the initial addiction returns. The earlier addictive behavior simply got transferred to Jesus. It hasn't been eradicated by Jesus. And thats the problem.

It seems to me that a catholic understanding of salvation is more like the full 12 steps. Salvation is both a one-shot deal and also a continual process of renewal. It is both "I am saved" and also "I am being saved". Well ok there is also "I will be saved" so it in actuality goes beyond the 12 steps. Fundamentalist salvation theology seems to stop at "I am saved".

Now, mind you, I have no formal theological training so I may be compleely off the wall [/quote]
you are exactly right

[Paddington]

[quote name='Katholikos' post='1248025' date='Apr 18 2007, 03:03 PM']But the Protestant meaning of 'born again' as some emotional experience related to "accepting Christ as my personal savior" is unbiblical.[/quote]

Historical Prot theology does not fit your description. Not Lutheran. Not Reformed. Not Anglican. Not Baptist.

What kind of Prot were you?

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Paddington' post='1248834' date='Apr 19 2007, 12:32 AM']Historical Prot theology does not fit your description. Not Lutheran. Not Reformed. Not Anglican. Not Baptist.

What kind of Prot were you?[/quote]
I have to admit, I thought being born again was all about the emotional stuff.

Now that I'm out of it, I don't get as emotional as much as before. However, I was born again.

You can only be born again of the water and the spirit, which is through the incorruptable seed - the Word of God.

If you weren't born from above through the word of God, then all you will find is failure in your walk.

I have to admit, living in freedom is really cool. It didn't require one thing from me to do, except believe God's word, and allow God's word to change me, Praise God!

That is why I am becoming very insistant for people to read the Word every single day! The word will change you, if you allow it too. because the spirit will change your heart to become more like God!

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1248866' date='Apr 19 2007, 01:06 AM']I have to admit, I thought being born again was all about the emotional stuff.

Now that I'm out of it, I don't get as emotional as much as before. However, I was born again.

You can only be born again of the water and the spirit, which is through the incorruptable seed - the Word of God.

If you weren't born from above through the word of God, then all you will find is failure in your walk.

I have to admit, living in freedom is really cool. It didn't require one thing from me to do, except believe God's word, and allow God's word to change me, Praise God!

That is why I am becoming very insistant for people to read the Word every single day! The word will change you, if you allow it too. because the spirit will change your heart to become more like God![/quote]
THis is why going to Mass every day is so cool, you hear the Word and a sermon on a daily basis. If you say the Liturgy of the Hours every day, you munch on the Word as well.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1248876' date='Apr 19 2007, 01:17 AM']THis is why going to Mass every day is so cool, you hear the Word and a sermon on a daily basis. If you say the Liturgy of the Hours every day, you munch on the Word as well.[/quote]
Or just waking up and reading 7 chapters of the Bible, and constantly saying, Lord, your voice and your will is only found in your word. Thank you for your word. Thank you so much for your faithfullness to your word and to us Lord. You are an amazing God and I love you Jesus!

And I pray this in the holy and exalted name of Jesus Christ.

Does anybody here think it wrong of me not making the sign of the Cross. I haven't done that since I became a Christian. I've always been a Jesus Name person, praying in the holy and exalted name of Jesus Christ.

[KnightofChrist]

I love to post this whenever possible and it shows how Staretz is correct.


To be saved, you must believe in the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31), but the Sacred Scriptures show other things you must also do to be saved.

* You must endure to the end. Matthew 10:22, Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13.
* You must accept the Cross (suffering). Matthew 10:38, Matthew 16:24-25, Mark 8:34, Luke 9:23, Luke 14:27.
* You must be baptized with water. Mark 16:16, John 3:3-5 Titus 3:5, I Peter 3:20-21.
* You must be a member in God's true church. Acts 2:47.
* You must confess your sins. James 5:16, I John 1:9
* You must keep the Commandments of God. Matthew 5:19-20, Matthew 7:21
* You must heed the words of St. Peter, the first Pope. Acts 11:13-14, Acts 15:7.
* You must eat the flesh and drink the blood of Jesus Christ. John 6:51-58, I Corinthians 10:16, I Corinthians 11:23-29

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1248894' date='Apr 19 2007, 01:30 AM']Or just waking up and reading 7 chapters of the Bible, and constantly saying, Lord, your voice and your will is only found in your word. Thank you for your word. Thank you so much for your faithfullness to your word and to us Lord. You are an amazing God and I love you Jesus!

And I pray this in the holy and exalted name of Jesus Christ.

Does anybody here think it wrong of me not making the sign of the Cross. I haven't done that since I became a Christian. I've always been a Jesus Name person, praying in the holy and exalted name of Jesus Christ.[/quote]
Reading the bible on your own is a good thing, but hearing the Word of God and recieving Jesus in Communion is priceless.
Its like comparing apples and oranges.

The Sign of the Cross is one of the most ancient CHRISTIAN acts of belief in the Trinity. There is no reason for anyone who is christian NOT to do it.