RezaMikhaeil Posted April 18, 2007 Author Share Posted April 18, 2007 Joe holds to the theory that he's a representative of the people and would like to support whatever laws reflect that of the people, rather then make his religious beliefs the beliefs of everyone. Reza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budge Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 I didnt think he was that major of a candidate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 [quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1247815' date='Apr 18 2007, 02:22 AM']Joe holds to the theory that he's a representative of the people and would like to support whatever laws reflect that of the people, rather then make his religious beliefs the beliefs of everyone. Reza[/quote] What if the majority of the people were to decide that the law should allow killing of blacks, Jews, or [fill in the blank minority]? Would you in such a case still find a politician's desire to "support the beliefs of the people" such a noble ideal, or would you regard said politician as a spineless moral coward and accomplice to evil?? And "the people" are split on the issue of abortion. I even believe polls tend to show a solid majority being against "partial-birth abortion", which Sen. Lieberman opposed banning. We've been over this before - your apparent deifying of "the will of the people (i.e. the majority)", and placing it above all other moral and legal considerations is absurd and despicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercy me Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 [quote name='Socrates' post='1247614' date='Apr 17 2007, 09:52 PM']I honestly don't know why you seem so impressed by him. Take his abortion position. He claims his personal convictions are that abortion is wrong, yet as a Senator he does everything in his power to support abortion, voting against even the smallest restrictions on this heinous crime. That is hardly "courage of conviction" but either cowardice or hypocrisy. Simply trumpeting that he is "devoutly religious" does not equal conviction or courage.[/quote] I didn't say that I agree with him. I said that I respect him because he does what he says he will do. He says that he represents the people of the stat eof Connecticut and he sets aside his own personal views to do what the people that he represents want. CT is a very liberal state and Lieberman is liberal. It is sad to say that it is unusual that politicians do what they say they will do. But we live in a world where our political "leaders" figure out their possitions by polling. Joe Lieberman is not like that and I respect him for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo el Feo Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 [quote name='Mercy me' post='1248575' date='Apr 18 2007, 10:36 PM']I didn't say that I agree with him. I said that I respect him because he does what he says he will do. He says that he represents the people of the state of Connecticut and he sets aside his own personal views to do what the people that he represents want. CT is a very liberal state and Lieberman is liberal. It is sad to say that it is unusual that politicians do what they say they will do. But we live in a world where our political "leaders" figure out their possitions by polling. Joe Lieberman is not like that and I respect him for that[/quote]You're making contradictory statements. For example, if he led a conservative state, would he "do what the people the he represents want"? That would make him a leader who figures out his positions by polling. It's either one or the other. You can't have both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RezaMikhaeil Posted April 19, 2007 Author Share Posted April 19, 2007 [quote name='Socrates' post='1248472' date='Apr 18 2007, 06:31 PM']What if the majority of the people were to decide that the law should allow killing of blacks, Jews, or [fill in the blank minority]? Would you in such a case still find a politician's desire to "support the beliefs of the people" such a noble ideal, or would you regard said politician as a spineless moral coward and accomplice to evil?? And "the people" are split on the issue of abortion. I even believe polls tend to show a solid majority being against "partial-birth abortion", which Sen. Lieberman opposed banning. We've been over this before - your apparent deifying of "the will of the people (i.e. the majority)", and placing it above all other moral and legal considerations is absurd and despicable.[/quote] No, my last post had nothing to do with me, and everything to do with Joe. I take a completely different stance. I believe if the people voted me into power ever, they'd be voting upon me because of my moral values. I'm not a Christian just on Sunday but every moment of every day, so if I were to run for Senator, or anything else, it would be based upon my personal convictions and if the majority voted me into power, obviously they'd be agreeing with my personal moral stance. Just so there's no confusion: If I were to run for political office, I'd be running on an anti-abortion, anti-contraceptives, anti-homosexual agenda... platform and if I were to be voted into office, I'd work to impliment those moral values because obviously the people agree to it or they shouldn't have voted for me. Moreover, the chances of me getting voted into political office are slim to none, considering our moral stance and lifestyles. I could see it right now, Hellen Thomas asking me, "do you really believe that women shouldn't have the right to do whatever they'd like with their bodies" and my response "yep"... and that ladies and gentlemen would be the end of my political career, unless I was like most politians in washington and lie but I'm not sure that I'd feel comfortable partaking in the Eucharist after that. Reza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo el Feo Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 I'd vote for you, Reza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 [quote name='Mateo el Feo' post='1249028' date='Apr 19 2007, 04:06 AM']I'd vote for you, Reza.[/quote] Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercy me Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 [quote name='Mateo el Feo' post='1248644' date='Apr 18 2007, 10:10 PM']You're making contradictory statements. For example, if he led a conservative state, would he "do what the people the he represents want"? That would make him a leader who figures out his positions by polling. It's either one or the other. You can't have both.[/quote] You have a point. But I don't know why he feels that his personal beliefs about abortion are not applicable to the general public. It was me making an assumption as to his reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RezaMikhaeil Posted April 20, 2007 Author Share Posted April 20, 2007 [quote name='Mercy me' post='1249869' date='Apr 19 2007, 10:03 PM']You have a point. But I don't know why he feels that his personal beliefs about abortion are not applicable to the general public. It was me making an assumption as to his reason.[/quote] It could be because he ran on the platform of "pro-choice", so if he were to impliment a different position, those that voted him into power [and gave him money] would be angry. He should have ran on the "pro-life" stance from day one, so as to not have a moral and public contradiction. Reza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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