Bible Prohibition Against Endless Genealogies

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Budge' post='1244846' date='Apr 15 2007, 06:44 PM']The genealogies in the BIble are true...

others like your list of Popes have been amended and changed over and over.[/quote]
So you no longer think it's the fact that it's a genealogy that makes it wrong, you're against the fact that it's been edited, is that it?

Well, revisions of history happen everyday. I don't think that if we found out tomorrow that George Washington was never sworn in as president, that would change the fact that the US has a presidency.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='Budge' post='1244220' date='Apr 15 2007, 10:49 AM']the NT was written well before your church existed.

Are you going to infer to me like another poster here that the apostles really didnt write the NT?[/quote]

No, simply that the Apostles were Catholic, i.e. you are wrong. By the way, I suspect you take those words about the Apostles not writing the scriptures out of context and perhaps from a thread I wrote. In fact less than half of the Apostles did write anything in the New Testament. That is the context. Mark and Luke were not apostles.

[Winchester]

Bump.

[SJP]

[quote name='Budge' post='1244220' date='Apr 15 2007, 11:49 AM']the NT was written well before your church existed.

Are you going to infer to me like another poster here that the apostles really didnt write the NT?[/quote]


Budge can you please provide evidence for this claim?

Are you claiming that every Christian from the time of Christ had a complete Bible, bound with a table of contents and all? Please elaborate.

[Budge]

when do you believe the books of the NT were finished?

[Budge]

when do you believe the books of the NT were finished?

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='Budge' post='1251392' date='Apr 21 2007, 08:10 AM']when do you believe the books of the NT were finished?[/quote]

Budge, why don't you just answer the question...

[SJP]

The NT books were composed throughout the first century.

[Budge]

I need you to answer that one first to continue.

Because my conjecture is that the NT books were finished well before 100AD.

{even likely before the 70 ad fall of Jerusalem since it is not mentioned except as prophecy}

[SJP]

Well, even if I were to accept your conjecture that the NT was completed before 70 ad, that still leaves a span of some 37 years in which the NT was being authored.

The point remains clear that during this period of time, Christians did not have the Bible as we know it today. It would have been simply impossible to read a letter from Paul before it was ever authored.

Now, can you please answer my original question, can you please provide evidence for your claim that the NT was written well before the Church existed? Are you claiming that every Christian from the time of Christ had a complete Bible, bound with a table of contents and all?

[Winchester]

People.

AD 100

AD 70.

Next you'll be using CE and BCE.

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='Budge' post='1251402' date='Apr 21 2007, 08:17 AM']I need you to answer that one first to continue.

Because my conjecture is that the NT books were finished well before 100AD.

{even likely before the 70 ad fall of Jerusalem since it is not mentioned except as prophecy}[/quote]

I don't think it's intelligent to put every book of the NT into the same time frame because the Bible wasn't "compiled" until the 3rd century. We can't know for sure, when everyone of them was written but we can be sure to the timeline in which the church was established. Most scholars [even Protestant] agree that the Coptic Church was founded by St. Mark around 42 AD. Being that St. Mark helped found the Roman Church, it wouldn't be wrong to assume that the Roman Church was founded around that era too.

[SJP]

Well, even if I were to accept your conjecture that the NT was completed before 70 ad, that still leaves a span of some 37 years in which the NT was being authored.

The point remains clear that during this period of time, Christians did not have the Bible as we know it today. It would have been simply impossible to read a letter from Paul before it was ever authored.

Now, can you please answer my original question, can you please provide evidence for your claim that the NT was written well before the Church existed? Are you claiming that every Christian from the time of Christ had a complete Bible, bound with a table of contents and all?


BBUUUUMPP

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Budge' post='1251392' date='Apr 21 2007, 09:10 AM']when do you believe the books of the NT were finished?[/quote]
I believe it was Matthew, Mark, and Luke (I think Matthew came first, I don't buy into that Q-theory carp), then Acts, then Revelation, then John, with the letters scattered throughout. I think that there's a good chance it was all before AD 70, although the letters of John could have been a bit later.

[SJP]

Bump for Budge