What Exactly Must Be Believed

[dairygirl4u2c]

for noncatholics.. since i didn't get much of a response last time...

what do you have to believe to be saved? you can't just say believe as demons do that. you cna't say that you are a sinner, as many might consider that but not anything abotu jesus. you could say beleive that jesus died in atonement for you, but many new converts don't know what that means, even in the sense of paying the price beyond hte actual word. you could say that he's your savior, but many new converts don't know how he's their savior, if you think how is eseential. (if you don't htink how is essential, is it okay to just have a general notion of "savior"?) you could say if you believe with your mouth that jesus is god and that he was raised from the dead, as that one passage says in the bible, but many don't know anything about him being savior, if that's essential to you, and what about those who beleive in another sense and not in these two criteria necessarily?

i realize that "believe" and "savor" are often loaded with all the essentials, but when boiling down, what exactly is it ya gotta believe?

i get many responses to this line of questioning. usually they start lining up things ya gotta believe, but then realize new converts wouldn't believe it all. so, at minimum, what is a person suppose to believe. (i am assuming they are not rejuecting advanced beliefs) (this has nothing to do with works, on your own terms of faith, what's minimum requirements) (catholics would say you're held to the standard you know, but many others wouldn't buy htis, yet can't give a stright answer otherwise)

Edited April 13, 2007 by dairygirl4u2c

[Maggyie]

No replies to this? I am interested in the responses, too.

[Winchester]

You must believe it's okay that your pastor owns a private helicopter, two cars for each member of his family and a 2 million dollar home because God wants him to be rich.

[Sojourner]

OK I was just reading the initial post again and realized you were directing this toward non-Catholics, haha.

One point I would make, though, is that there is a difference between belief and understanding. You can believe something without understanding it. In fact I'd say that's a pretty common thing in the arena of "faith" ... which is, after all the "realization of what is hoped for and evidence of things not seen."

[Katholikos]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1241657' date='Apr 13 2007, 02:14 PM']for noncatholics.. since i didn't get much of a response last time...

what do you have to believe to be saved?[/quote]


Does being a former "non-Catholic" count?

Answer: Anything you wish since one of the benefits of being Protestant is that you can decide for yourself. It's called private interpretation. There's only one ultimate authority: and it is YOU.

[ttomm46]

They will usually fall back on this one" I believe what the bible says"(according to my own private understanding)

Edited April 14, 2007 by ttomm46

[carrdero]

For Patrickism salvation comes from within

[color="#000080"]“Can you gain salvation believing in him [color="#000000"](Jesus)[/color]? No. No other person has the power to bring salvation to another. The salvation one person seeks comes from within himself/herself.”

HELLO IT’S ME: An Interview With GOD
Chapter: Jesus The Christ
Pg: 114[/color]

Patrickism also reserves the right and freedom to believe what any other religion believes based on the possibility alone but I kind of side with the above passage for it beholds much reason and resounds within me.

Edited April 14, 2007 by carrdero

[Paddington]

Winchester....that was horrible.

Katholikos....I believe you that you were a Protestant. But, "anything you wish" is not what Prots believe.

Dairygirl....Trusting in Christ alone for salvation. Which implies knowing who he is and what salvation is and then putting trust in him for it. It is too vague how I said it. But experience proves how people get close to understanding both of those things as much as they can be expected to in this life. Different Prots differ with each other on some doctrines that are related to Christ and eternal life, but they are normally not that far from each other.
Some people on this board feel incentive to think and say the worst of Prots. As if they are not required to make amends in the Confessional and on the worldwideweb.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Paddington' post='1242623' date='Apr 14 2007, 02:23 AM']Winchester....that was horrible.[/quote]
Why, thank you.

[dairygirl4u2c]

actually that was a good reply padding. i put my trust in him. it's sorta like "savior" in a vague way "trust". I know many would disagree with you and say it's gotta include savior, at least generally. You seem to be saying you're held to what you know as long as it includes "trust", do you prescribe to that?

Edited April 14, 2007 by dairygirl4u2c