Aloysius Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 How would that make the Shroud of Turin fake? I think the whole idea is that they weren't expecting it... they weren't looking for Jesus to be walking around. They thought He was dead, so they weren't lookin for him. They had no hope until He identified Himself to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 [quote name='Aloysius' post='1240759' date='Apr 12 2007, 11:42 PM']How would that make the Shroud of Turin fake? I think the whole idea is that they weren't expecting it... they weren't looking for Jesus to be walking around. They thought He was dead, so they weren't lookin for him. They had no hope until He identified Himself to them.[/quote]The image in the Shroud is not of someone beat into an unrecognizable condition. I've seen people beaten to a bloody mess. It takes a hell of alot of damage to make someone unrecognizable. The image in the Shroud is not that damaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted April 13, 2007 Author Share Posted April 13, 2007 [quote name='dUSt' post='1240254' date='Apr 12 2007, 06:20 PM']There was a speaker who came to a local parish in my diocese who was explaining that Jesus was unrecognizable because of the scourging, beating and crucifixion. Apparently, the speaker was saying that this is how He appeared to the apostles and this is why He was not recognizable.[/quote] Wouldn't that mean that Jesus was scarred from the crucifixion? He'd be walking around all beat up and such...I don't know if that sits well with me. Obviously, his hands and feet and side still bore the wounds, but I don't know if He'd be all beat-up looking. [quote name='FullTruth' post='1240286' date='Apr 12 2007, 06:47 PM']Why couldn't the apostles realized Jesus was walking with them. I think it is a combination of the first and third option. These men were so concerned with the loss of Jesus Christ, and how their lives weren't going to be as fulfilling for them anymore (focused on self in other words), that Jesus Christ was with them and they didn't recognize him because they weren't paying attention to him. That is a lesson us saints need to really realize. When things are not going well with us, we need to realize God is still with us, and we can go to him, and let him speak wisdom into that situation. Too many times saints just focus on the problems, and forget our source of wisdom and blessings. So Jesus could be there with us at that moment, and we don't recognize that, so we miss out on a blessing.[/quote] Awesome here, FT. How can you go from having wonderful theological insights to spouting garbage about the occult and the US government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 The only thing that permits us to recognize Jesus as the Christ is a revelation from God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 [quote name='kujo' post='1239770' date='Apr 12 2007, 08:12 AM']Do we know anything, from Scripture or Tradition, about this "glorified body?" Is it something unique to Christ's Resurrection or is it something we will all experience when Christ establishes His Kingdom on Earth? And what is different about the "glorified body" as opposed to our regular terrestrial body?[/quote] I forget where the source of this is from since I rewrote it. Other than Saint Thomas of course... Saint Thomas and the others identify the four "properties" of the glorified body: impassibility, subtlety, agility, clarity. Impassibility- the glorified body no longer suffers Subtlety- the glorified body is entirely subject to employment by the Spirit Agility- the glorified body has abundant energy and ability to move Clarity- the glorified body is luminous. This state fulfills the original higher and dignified purpose of the human body [b]Why did Jesus' glorified body have wounds?[/b] Thomas Aquinas gave an excellent summary of reasons: to confirm the disciples' faith, to rightly intercede for humanity, to show the Father what he had suffered for humanity, to demonstrate the continuity of the pre and post-Easter body, and to show on the last day to all humans "an everlasting trophy of his victory" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullTruth Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 [quote name='kujo' post='1241027' date='Apr 13 2007, 01:18 AM']Wouldn't that mean that Jesus was scarred from the crucifixion? He'd be walking around all beat up and such...I don't know if that sits well with me. Obviously, his hands and feet and side still bore the wounds, but I don't know if He'd be all beat-up looking. Awesome here, FT. How can you go from having wonderful theological insights to spouting garbage about the occult and the US government?[/quote] Kujo, I'm going to post my reply to you in a new thread. I re-read it, and it doesn't seem like the best place to put it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 (edited) [url="http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/index.htm"]The New American Bible's[/url] rendering: [url="http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/mark/mark16.htm"]Mark 16:12 (NAB)[/url] says: "After this he appeared in another form to two of them walking along on their way to the country." [url="http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/luke/luke24.htm"]Luke 24:16 (NAB)[/url]: "...their eyes were prevented from recognizing him." Edited April 14, 2007 by thedude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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