cmotherofpirl Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 No. THe probabilities of death associated with preemies, pre-eclampsia, breech delivery, blue babies etc are known. So are the probabilities of car accidents. THe definite saving of two lives is more important than the statistical possibilities of an accident happening at that particular moment. Particularly if you have your lights flashing and you are laying on the horn. You are practically insuring yourself of a police escort. What if you are rushing a person to a hospital with a heart attack, a limb amputation etc? Are you gonna stay within the speed limit or go faster to save a life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinTabernacle Posted July 31, 2003 Author Share Posted July 31, 2003 Any trained professional rescuer and in fact anyone with some formal First Aid training are taught Check Call Care. Check teh scence and the victim for safety and a real emergency. Call for help and then Care for the victim. I'm saying, 911 with a fire engine truck showing up in less than 10 minutes is alot better than me trying to fight traffic in a saturn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 I have been in accidents, I have first aid training and I have been in labor in a traffic jam. It depends on the injury the distance to the hospital and if you can stop the bleeding. You don't always have 10 minutes. Where I live, I am 2 minutes from a hospital and 5 minutes from lifeflight. But I have been places where those things are not available. If you can be stabilized - great. There are times when you cannot wait for an ambulance or firetruck. Sometimes you get in the car and go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 cmom, Excellent response. Living, Response time depends on many things, and most callers don't wait for an actual emergency to call 911, so you're likely to wait a while, especially with two minutes plus for 911 to transfer a call to a fire department, plus dispatch time, travel time, etcetera. I would do my best to insure a child not be born in a car, or to people inexperienced. The chances of things going good enough are in your favour, even without experience, but it's a lot better to be in a hospital. Training, especially civilian training, it nothing compared to the real thing. One can safely speed. Mere speeding does not cause one to rear end another car. Wrongly evaluating the safe amount to speed is the problem. Failing to drop speed when closing on a vehicle is a problem, not looking far enough ahead for your speed is a problem. I speed professionally, and it's not the lights and sirens that make it safe, because at about 55mph, you can only hear them about 15 feet out, and people don't check the mirrors enough to get out of the way because of lights. The typical rules for lights and sirens: up to 10 mph above speed limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinTabernacle Posted August 1, 2003 Author Share Posted August 1, 2003 i think we're getting sidetracked here. I mean, we can debate back and forth about who has the most training or worst expeirence or whatever, but we're still missing the issue. Is speeding a sin, and if so, shouldn't it be confessed?And if not confessed, does it become a mortal sin?Or is it just a venial sin wiped away everytime we pray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 Living, I gave my answer. All sins should be confessed. If you don't want examples analyzed, then don't present them. The liklehood of something bad happening and severity of situations is integral to making a moral decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinTabernacle Posted August 1, 2003 Author Share Posted August 1, 2003 sorry, i wasn't really referring to your post, i actually kinda just skimmed it, my b. But i was referring that for the post 3 or 4 posts it was kinda sidetracked, i wanted to just get back to the main questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 Hey, I'm sensitive. You just skimmed my post, huh? Well thanks. *sniff* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinTabernacle Posted August 1, 2003 Author Share Posted August 1, 2003 *pat pat* don't feel bad, i skim all useless posts ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke2219 Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 I've often thought this and I've pondered it for some time so I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents. I believe it is breaking the 4th and 5th commandments. CCC 2234: God's fourth commandment also enjoins us to honor all who for our good have received authority in society from God. It clarifies the duties of those who exercise authority as well as those who benefit from it. CCC 2238: Those subject to authority should regard those in authority as representative of God.... CCC 2239: It is the duty of citizens to contribute along with the civil authorities to the good of society in a spirit of truth, justice, solidarity, and freedom. So, we should follow the speed limit because it it the law, and it is not contrary to God's commandments. CCC 2269: Unintentional killing is not morally imputable. But one is not exonerated from grave offense if, without proportionate reasons, he has acted in a way that brings about someone's death, even without the intention to do so. From this we see, that speeding withouth proportionate reasons is a grave offense if it brings about someone's death. Speeding endagers lives which makes it sinful. Going with the flow of traffice is probably okay becasue going slower might be unsafe. We must be careful though and judge whether we could in fact safely travel the posted speed, or if we're just rationalizing and ultimately contributing to the problem. A life or death situation may be a "proportionate reason" to speed. But that would be up to your perfectly formed conscience to discern. For everyday use, it is a sin. How big a sin? I don't belive 5mph over the speed limit is speeding. I call it margin of error, but I may just be rationalizing because I do have a lead foot. The seriousness would have to deal with how dangerous it was. (School zone, pedestrians, weather, narrow road, curvy road, ect.) Probably over 25mph is gravely wrong. But normal speeding is probably only venial. Confession is for all sins, but only mortal sins have to be confessed. If you are deliberately ommitting speeding because you don't belive it is sinful, then that might make a difference. But I think that for most of us, it can be ommitted if we have more painful sins on our soul at the time. It's hard for me to admit all this because I also belive that "I can speed safely." But, legitimate authority has made the laws, and I am bound to follow them. And the times that I speed a lot or in dangerous conditions, I'm also unnessesarily endangering my life and the lives of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 I don't believe it, I know it. The key is to know the limits of the road, conditions and your own. Speeding in a nieighborhood is rarely safe (if ever). Going 30 is unsafe in a neighborhood, it's just the most common limit. That doesn't mean it's safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinTabernacle Posted August 1, 2003 Author Share Posted August 1, 2003 thanks Luke, that really helped.And winchester, thanks for your patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theistgal Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 Nothing I would bother mentioning in confession anyway--unless the severity of your wreckless driving is putting people's lives in danger, you acknowledge this, and continue anyway. "Wreckless" driving is what we should all strive for, dUST. B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 Speaking of speeding, please pray for Lance who was walking up the street and hit by 2 girls turning a corner at about 30 mph Wednesday. THe car's bumper dragged him, they stopped, backed up and left him for dead. He survived with a crushed shoulder. He got out of the hospital today, but went into seizures. He is one of our band groupies. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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