Extraterrestrial Life

[carrdero]

[quote name='Mateo el Feo' post='1219981' date='Mar 26 2007, 06:26 PM']Heck, we could speculate that the manna sent to the Israelites in Exodus was actually Frosted Flakes sent by Tony the Tiger. But as you said, it's all just speculation...[/quote]
.........still worthy of further research and investigation.

Edited March 27, 2007 by carrdero

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Nadezhda' post='1220026' date='Mar 26 2007, 08:59 PM']What you mean, calling dolphins intelligent? It's really the mice that run things! Oh, by the way, the answer to the meaning of life is 42. Or 47. I can never remember which.

[/quote]It's 42. And, you are correct, humans are the second-most intelligent life form after mice, who control everything.

[carrdero]

[b][size=3]Isaiah 60:8
8:Who are these that fly like a cloud, and like doves to their windows?[/size] [/b]

[color="#000080"]In the New Testament during the baptism account of Jesus, a similar phenomenon happens. Many researchers have compared this to the same phenomenon that Moses and Elijah encountered in the Old Testament. I have provided three authors accounts for your inspection.[/color]

[b]Mark 1:10[/b]
[b]10[/b] And immediately on coming up out of the water he saw the heavens being parted, and, like a dove, the spirit coming down upon him;

[b]Matthew 3:16[/b]
[b]16[/b] After being baptized Jesus immediately came up from the water; and, look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw descending like a dove God’s spirit coming upon him. [b]17[/b] Look! Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”

[b]Luke 3:21[/b]
[b]21[/b] Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus also was baptized and, as he was praying, the heaven was opened up [b]22[/b] and the holy spirit in bodily shape like a dove came down upon him, and a voice came out of heaven: “You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.”


[color="#000080"]Many Biblical painters have artistically displayed this as an actual dove but the scriptures clearly point out that this “spirit” descended “like a dove”. It is important to notice here that the comparison is not between the way a cloud and dove appear in physical shape but between the ways they fly. This may have been the only description available to the New Testament authors to describe this encounter. The comparison to the way that the “Spirit of God” descended upon the tent to Moses and his followers should also be evaluated.[/color]

Edited March 27, 2007 by carrdero

[Socrates]

[quote name='carrdero' post='1220107' date='Mar 26 2007, 08:48 PM'][b][size=3]Isaiah 60:8
8:Who are these that fly like a cloud, and like doves to their windows?[/size] [/b]

[color="#000080"]In the New Testament during the baptism account of Jesus, a similar phenomenon happens. Many researchers have compared this to the same phenomenon that Moses and Elijah encountered in the Old Testament. I have provided three authors accounts for your inspection.[/color]

[b]Mark 1:10[/b]
[b]10[/b] And immediately on coming up out of the water he saw the heavens being parted, and, like a dove, the spirit coming down upon him;

[b]Matthew 3:16[/b]
[b]16[/b] After being baptized Jesus immediately came up from the water; and, look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw descending like a dove God’s spirit coming upon him. [b]17[/b] Look! Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”

[b]Luke 3:21[/b]
[b]21[/b] Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus also was baptized and, as he was praying, the heaven was opened up [b]22[/b] and the holy spirit in bodily shape like a dove came down upon him, and a voice came out of heaven: “You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.”
[color="#000080"]Many Biblical painters have artistically displayed this as an actual dove but the scriptures clearly point out that this “spirit” descended “like a dove”. It is important to notice here that the comparison is not between the way a cloud and dove appear in physical shape but between the ways they fly. This may have been the only description available to the New Testament authors to describe this encounter. The comparison to the way that the “Spirit of God” descended upon the tent to Moses and his followers should also be evaluated.[/color][/quote]
Oh, so Jesus was a space alien? Guess that explains the whole Fatima thing too.

[Guest T-Bone]

With a big enough hammer, you can make the scriptures say [i]anything[/i].

[hoosieranna]

[quote name='T-Bone' post='1220226' date='Mar 27 2007, 12:20 AM']With a big enough hammer, you can make the scriptures say [i]anything[/i].[/quote]

"And the Lord saith, "Thou hast hit the nail on the head!"

(I couldn't find a usable hammer picture)

Edited March 27, 2007 by Nadezhda

[carrdero]

[color="#000080"]Some researchers would have us believe that Jesus may have been an alien. This may be due to his unconventional birth, his foriegn teachings and that Jesus performed miracles that can only be described as other worldly. The following scriptures as well as the Ascension account lends credibility to that theory.[/color]
[b]John 18:36[/b]
[b]36[/b] Jesus answered: “My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from this source.”
[b]John 20:1[/b]
[b]21 [/b]Jesus, therefore, said to them again: “May YOU have peace. Just as the Father has sent me forth, I also am sending YOU.”

[color="#000080"]Where is Jesus' kingdom?[/color]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1220129' date='Mar 26 2007, 10:17 PM']Oh, so Jesus was a space alien? Guess that explains the whole Fatima thing too. [/quote]

If only the phenomenon were that simple.

Edited March 27, 2007 by carrdero

[carrdero]

[quote name='T-Bone' post='1220226' date='Mar 27 2007, 12:20 AM']With a big enough hammer, you can make the scriptures say [i]anything[/i].[/quote]
Yes but with the intelligence and insight that we incorporate today, could one not have the reasoning skills and abilities to compare these scriptures to similiar understandings and current surrondings?

Jerimiah 5:21 comes to mind.

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='carrdero' post='1220349' date='Mar 27 2007, 03:45 AM']Yes but with the intelligence and insight that we incorporate today, could one not have the reasoning skills and abilities to compare these scriptures to similiar understandings and current surrondings?

Jerimiah 5:21 comes to mind.[/quote]Or [url="http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/2timothy/2timothy4.htm#v3"]2 Tim 4:3-4 (link)[/url]. But, whatever...

[carrdero]

[quote name='Mateo el Feo' post='1220468' date='Mar 27 2007, 12:46 PM']Or [url="http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/2timothy/2timothy4.htm#v3"]2 Tim 4:3-4 (link)[/url]. But, whatever...[/quote]

1 Thessolonians 5:21
Prove all things, hold fast which is good.

In light of your attentiveness to the scriptures, I guess the responsibility of proof does fall on your shoulders. So it is at this time that I request if there is any [u]sturdy[/u] data that you can contribute against my position, if there is any “truth” that you would like to share that goes contrary to my investigations, please feel free to enlighten me……or not.

Edited March 27, 2007 by carrdero

[jeffpugh]

I think scripture also says to "hold fast to tradition handed down by either word of [the apostles'] mouth or epistle".

You seem to have found these speculations from alternate sources... by the way how could you use that scripture and stand by contradicting original teaching? I could easily pull out a big hammer and say that 1 Thess 5:21 means to hold fast to pie or tacos, so very tasty and good for you,...

[cmotherofpirl]

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

Most people are not quite sure if anyone else is out there, but the odds say yes. Whatever it might be, it was created by Almighty God. "If God is for us, who can be against"

I have seen unidentified flying objects. That was a long time ago, and humans still cannot do the flying we saw back then.

[carrdero]

[quote]cmotherofpirl writes: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

Most people are not quite sure if anyone else is out there, but the odds say yes. Whatever it might be, it was created by Almighty God. "If God is for us, who can be against"

I have seen unidentified flying objects. That was a long time ago, and humans still cannot do the flying we saw back then.[/quote]

Thank you for your response cmotherofpirl, it is good hearing from you again.

Edited March 28, 2007 by carrdero

[carrdero]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1220648' date='Mar 27 2007, 05:11 PM']I think scripture also says to "hold fast to tradition handed down by either word of [the apostles'] mouth or epistle".

You seem to have found these speculations from alternate sources... by the way how could you use that scripture and stand by contradicting original teaching? I could easily pull out a big hammer and say that 1 Thess 5:21 means to hold fast to pie or tacos, so very tasty and good for you,...[/quote]

I am utilizing the Bible because it contains many clear and concise passages of some type of entities intervening/interfering with the affairs of humankind. These effects have had far-reaching consequesnce for our current society. I am also incorporating the years of diligent research from professors, physicists, ministers, scholars and army officials to support my claims. Whether we are considering A’bram’s visitations, the Exodus, Elisha’s ascension into the “flying chariot”, Ezekial’s wheel, Mary’s pregnancy, the star the Magi followed, Jesus’ life, ministry and death or Saul’s conversion one cannot help but wonder in the light of the current UFOlogy if this isn’t the same phenomenon. I cannot truthfully evaluate if the incidents in the Bible actually occurred but if they are to be believed then there are some points that cannot be denied.

These points I present for your consideration:
1. That the beings expressed in the Bible had a firm agenda (for whatever reason) to establish a religion (religions?) with the primitive culture of that time.
2. That these beings with their intelligence and superiority exploited this primitive culture to achieve these means.
3. That the tools and tactics of doing so were not of this world.
4. That this phenomenon has endured well after the time the Bible was finished and is still continuing today (this point should satisfy the traditionalists)

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='carrdero' post='1220762' date='Mar 27 2007, 09:20 PM']I am also incorporating the years of diligent research from professors, physicists, ministers, scholars and army officials to support my claims.[/quote]Not just years of ordinary research, but [i]diligent[/i] research. I'm convinced. LOL Only on the internet...