traichuoi Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 in the words of Flannery O'Connor, "Well, if it's symbolic then to hell with it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 in the words of Flannery O'Connor, "Well, if it's symbolic then to hell with it." hehe I like it! A good rule of thumb, if you will, is that when reading the Bible and you come across the words "Truly, truly I say to you...." or "Amen, Amen, I say to you...." what follows is meant LITERALLY. (example, John 6:53, aka, the teaching on the Eucharist.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 And by the way, diss the Eucharist and get chin checks when you wreck. What do you mean here. I Don't hate Catholics, you have it all wrong, I'm not here to convert you. I'm here to voice my view and maybe get you to look into what you beleive, so that you know what you think you know for sure, is right or wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. (metaphor here don't hurt youself) Don't be so quick to anger! If you don't agree with me I'm not upset with you. Say what you want but don't tell me not to voice my view. what is your view? Gnosticism? The book of enoch? Come now, what is your denomination so we can share our views of yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 What do you mean here. I Don't hate Catholics, you have it all wrong, I'm not here to convert you. I'm here to voice my view and maybe get you to look into what you beleive, so that you know what you think you know for sure, is right or wrong. We look into what we believe DAILY. We know FOR SURE. Are YOU sure thats why you're here? I'm asking this sincerely. Think on why you are truly here before you answer that question because the majority of your posts tell me something quite different from what you claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 That was not a parable it was a metaphor. Its to sub something for somthing esle as if it was. See try this one he was the Lamb for the blood sacifice, for the passover because he took its place once and for all. I was the last one. yes, but the pascal lamb is supposed to be eaten: Gen. 22:9-13 - God saved Abraham's first-born son on Mount Moriah with a substitute sacrifice which had to be consumed. This foreshadowed the real sacrifice of Israel's true first-born son (Jesus) who must be consumed. Exodus 12:5 - the paschal lamb that was sacrificed and eaten had to be without blemish. Luke 23:4,14; John 18:38 - Jesus is the true paschal Lamb without blemish. Exodus 12:7,22-23 - the blood of the lamb had to be sprinkled on the two door posts. This paschal sacrifice foreshadows the true Lamb of sacrifice and the two posts of His cross on which His blood was sprinkled. Exodus 12:8,11 - the paschal lamb had to be eaten by the faithful in order for God to "pass over" the house and spare their first-born sons. Jesus, the true paschal Lamb, must also be eaten by the faithful in order for God to forgive their sins. Exodus 12:43-45; Ezek. 44:9 - no one outside the "family of God" shall eat the lamb. Non-Catholics should not partake of the Eucharist until they are in full communion with the Church. Exodus 12:49 - no uncircumcised person shall eat of the lamb. Baptism is the new circumcision for Catholics, and thus one must be baptized in order to partake of the Lamb. Exodus 12:47; Num. 9:12 - the paschal lamb's bones could not be broken. John 19:33 -none of Jesus' bones were broken. Exodus 16:4-36; Neh 9:15 - God gave His people bread from heaven to sustain them on their journey to the promised land. This foreshadows the true bread from heaven which God gives to us at Mass to sustain us on our journey to heaven. Exodus 24:9-11 - the Mosaic covenant was consummated with a meal in the presence of God. The New and eternal Covenant is consummated with the Eucharistic meal - the body and blood of Jesus Christ under the appearance of bread and wine. Exodus 29:33 - they shall eat those things with which atonement was made. Jesus is the true Lamb of atonement and must now be eaten. Lev. 7:15 - the Aaronic sacrifices absolutely had to be eaten in order to restore communion with God. These sacrifices all foreshadow the one eternal sacrifice which must also be eaten to restore communion with God. This is the Eucharist (from the Greek word "eukaristia" which means "thanksgiving"). Lev. 17:11,14 - in the Old Testament, we see that the life of the flesh is the blood which could never be drunk. In the New Testament, Jesus Christ's blood is the source of new life, and now must be drunk. Gen. 9:4-5; Deut.12:16,23-24 - in these verses we see other prohibitions on drinking blood, yet Jesus commands us to drink His blood because it is the true source of life. 2 Kings 4:43 - this passage foreshadows the multiplication of the loaves and the true bread from heaven which is Jesus Christ. 2 Chron. 30:15-17; 35:1,6,11,13; Ezek. 6:20-21- the lamb was killed, roasted and eaten to atone for sin and restore communion with God. This foreshadows the true Lamb of God who was sacrificed for our sin and who must now be consumed for our salvation. Psalm 78:24-25; 105:40 - the raining of manna and the bread from angels foreshadows the true bread from heaven, Jesus Christ. Isaiah 53:7 - this verse foreshadows the true Lamb of God who was slain for our sins and who must be consumed. Wis. 16:20 - this foreshadows the true bread from heaven which will be suited to every taste. All will be welcome to partake of this heavenly bread, which is Jesus Christ. Sir. 24:21 - God says those who eat Him will hunger for more, and those who drink Him will thirst for more. Ezek. 2:8-10; 3:1-3 - God orders Ezekiel to open his mouth and eat the scroll which is the Word of God. This foreshadows the true Word of God, Jesus Christ, who must be consumed. Zech. 12:10 - this foreshadows the true first-born Son who was pierced for the sins of the inhabitants of the new Jerusalem. Zech. 13:1 - on the day of piercing, a fountain (of blood and water) will cleanse the sins of those in the new House of David. btw, there are three other threads in which i am waiting for your response...... Good Luck and God Bless You in your search for Truth, phatcatholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 Excellent use of Scripture PC! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 in the words of Flannery O'Connor, "Well, if it's symbolic then to hell with it." It spiritual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 What do you mean here. I Don't hate Catholics, you have it all wrong, I'm not here to convert you. I'm here to voice my view and maybe get you to look into what you beleive, so that you know what you think you know for sure, is right or wrong. through the Church Jesus teaches me to be charitable, obviosly when people get down right rude against what I know to be the presence of christ, youve leaped beyond charity. Watch what you type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 It spiritual. Symbolicly spiritual? The Eucharist, the Most Sacred BODY and BLOOD of Our Lord, Jesus Christ, is both physical and spiritual food and drink. Why turn that down for something merely symbolic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 "truth" if you would be so kind as to respond to my most recent post, i would be greatful. thank you and God Bless You in your search for Truth, phatcatholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo el Feo Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 (edited) I wonder if a "metaphorical" apologist can explain why so many disciples at the end of the John 6 found that the "saying is hard" and actually left Our Lord. John 6:66 -- "As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him." If it were a metaphor, I would think that Our Lord would not have allowed so many to leave. And if it were metaphorical, one would have expected the metaphor to be explained in detail so that the reader would understand why so many left Him. There's not much "hard" about a metaphorical saying, and I don't think it would have caused so many to leave. $0.02 Edited January 28, 2004 by Mateo el Feo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 through the Church Jesus teaches me to be charitable, obviosly when people get down right rude against what I know to be the presence of christ, youve leaped beyond charity. Watch what you type. Who are you talking to? I welcome anything you have to offer. I will type what I want. If I say something that offend you its because of you shollow thinking and like of understanding. If that is to direct for you to take have someone else read to you the way you want to hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 We look into what we believe DAILY. We know FOR SURE. Are YOU sure thats why you're here? I'm asking this sincerely. Think on why you are truly here before you answer that question because the majority of your posts tell me something quite different from what you claim. Sound like you are trying for Dr. Phil's job or something. Call Oprah, she may have a job for you since Dr. Phil have his own show now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 He's talkin' to you. Foundsheep is a moderator, you know. If you cross a line that ought not be crossed he has the authority to "correct the problem." A couple people have respectfully asked that you answer their posts/questions, PhatCatholic in particular. I, for one, would be interested to hear your response. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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