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[Starets]

When the two of you decide which one of you is the One True Christian Who Has All His/Her Doctrinal Points In The Correct Order Glory Halleluyah(tm) let me know ok?

[Budge]

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When the two of you decide which one of you is the One True Christian Who Has All His/Her Doctrinal Points In The Correct Order Glory Halleluyah™ let me know ok?
Mateo el Feo Posted Today, 12:07 PM[/quote]Actually he *could" be a Christian but simply be wrong about some doctrinal issues.

True Christians who have been born again and have the Holy Spirit indwelling are Christians.

Now usually this will lead someone to truth, but even that is a process as the Holy Spirit leads them.

Ie I was saved while still within the Catholic Church, left few weeks later.

Hyper-Calvinism sadly makes many of the same errors of Rome. I know I have to do posts on good preachers, the keys and now Calvinism...hehehehe.


[quote] Real truth is determined based on Budge's personal judgment.[/quote]

You all have the things you believe to be true do you know?

Thusly you have youre own personal judgement..

ie that the Roman Catholic church is TRUE.
[quote]
Budge, it's one thing that you don't agree with Catholics. I get that. But, you seem to reject just about every non-Catholic Christian out there, as well.[/quote]I reject Catholicism, mainline Christianity and Calvinism, the so called daughters. Actually I just moved and could end up in a different kind of Christian church, left my loved indep Baptist church, so I do not believe Christians only exist in one denomination.


[quote]
No one holds the truth but you.[/quote]

No there are others who believe the way I do and adhere to Gods Word.

I am not the only Bible Christian on the planet.

There are millions being converted especially in the third world to Christianity.
[quote]
The world had to wait 2 millenia for a theologian like you to spread the real message of Christianity? Ummm...OK.[/quote]I quote the Bible here, I dont quote a book BUDGE wrote...



[quote]

"What is a Fundamentalist?" Define a Fundamentalist. What makes a person a Fundamentalist? What are the Fundamentals of the Christian Faith?[/quote]

You know them, youre just trying to set a trap.

BTW Calvinism follows the false teachers of Rome, that is how it went wrong, their early councils, those early deceivers like Eusebius, Tertullian and Augustine.

Its very possible youre a born again Christian with some doctrinal problems you need clearned up on.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Budge' post='1213619' date='Mar 14 2007, 02:48 PM']Its very possible youre a born again Christian with some doctrinal problems you need cleaned up on.[/quote]

And of course you are qualified to decide if someone has doctrinal issues correct?
What it really means is simply they don't agree with the magisterium of BudgeChurch and you need to fix that.

It must feel really safe to think you have all the answers for everyone else.

[Budge]

[quote]And of course you are qualified to decide if someone has doctrinal issues correct?
What it really means is simply they don't agree with the magisterium of BudgeChurch and you need to fix that.

It must feel really safe to think you have all the answers for everyone else.[/quote]

Even there you show how we both have a different worldview.

You believe it is impossible for one person to say they know the truth.

{which is actually based in moral relativism}

and that is wrong for a person to say they know what is true.

{more moral relativism coupled with the worse of the helgian Dialectic}

I have the Bible [Gods Word] to test things by. It is not my authority, it is Gods.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Budge' post='1213634' date='Mar 14 2007, 03:39 PM']Even there you show how we both have a different worldview.
You believe it is impossible for one person to say they know the truth.
{which is actually based in moral relativism}
and that is wrong for a person to say they know what is true.
{more moral relativism coupled with the worse of the helgian Dialectic}
I have the Bible [Gods Word] to test things by. It is not my authority, it is Gods.[/quote]


No, am I saying you have Budges version of truth, which you treat as the gold standard of Christianity and you measure all other people with it. That makes you a little magisterium of one, your own little group.


The Bible is a Catholic Church book, but we don't pretend to interpret it on our own.

1 Cor 12:28: And God has appointed [b]in the church[/b] first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, then healers, helpers, administrators, speakers in various kinds of tongues.

2 Peter 1:20: First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,
21: because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

Acts 8:And behold, an Ethiopian, a eunuch, a minister of the Can'dace, queen of the Ethiopians, in charge of all her treasure, had come to Jerusalem to worship
28: and was returning; seated in his chariot, he was reading the prophet Isaiah.
29: And the Spirit said to Philip, "Go up and join this chariot."
30: So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and asked, "Do you understand what you are reading?"
31: And he said, "How can I, unless some one guides me?" And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.



St Paul said "1 Tim3:15: if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which [b]is the church [/b]of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth"

So the Church founded by Jesus Christ is where you can find truth, not in your own interpretation.

[NewReformation]

[quote name='Budge' post='1213619' date='Mar 14 2007, 01:48 PM']Actually he *could" be a Christian but simply be wrong about some doctrinal issues.

True Christians who have been born again and have the Holy Spirit indwelling are Christians.

Now usually this will lead someone to truth, but even that is a process as the Holy Spirit leads them.

Ie I was saved while still within the Catholic Church, left few weeks later.

Hyper-Calvinism sadly makes many of the same errors of Rome. I know I have to do posts on good preachers, the keys and now Calvinism...hehehehe.

You all have the things you believe to be true do you know?

Thusly you have youre own personal judgement..

ie that the Roman Catholic church is TRUE.
I reject Catholicism, mainline Christianity and Calvinism, the so called daughters. Actually I just moved and could end up in a different kind of Christian church, left my loved indep Baptist church, so I do not believe Christians only exist in one denomination.
No there are others who believe the way I do and adhere to Gods Word.

I am not the only Bible Christian on the planet.

There are millions being converted especially in the third world to Christianity.
I quote the Bible here, I dont quote a book BUDGE wrote...


You know them, youre just trying to set a trap.

BTW Calvinism follows the false teachers of Rome, that is how it went wrong, their early councils, those early deceivers like Eusebius, Tertullian and Augustine.

Its very possible youre a born again Christian with some doctrinal problems you need clearned up on.[/quote]

A: I'm not a Hyper-Calvinist

B: I get my theology from the Bible.

C: What is a Fundamentalist?

Bob Gray, an IFB preacher believes that in order for a church to be a "Fundamental" church, they can't listen to CCM, Southern Gospel, or allow women to wear pants. Do you agree?

[Budge]

Reformed Baptists {really you cant be both} are really Presbyterians who do adult baptism...

[NewReformation]

[quote name='Budge' post='1213721' date='Mar 14 2007, 05:26 PM']Reformed Baptists {really you cant be both} are really Presbyterians who do adult baptism...[/quote]

Answer my question please.

[TruthSeeker777]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1213642' date='Mar 14 2007, 10:14 PM']No, am I saying you have Budges version of truth, which you treat as the gold standard of Christianity and you measure all other people with it. That makes you a little magisterium of one, your own little group.
The Bible is a Catholic Church book, but we don't pretend to interpret it on our own.

1 Cor 12:28: And God has appointed [b]in the church[/b] first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, then healers, helpers, administrators, speakers in various kinds of tongues.

2 Peter 1:20: First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,
21: because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

Acts 8:And behold, an Ethiopian, a eunuch, a minister of the Can'dace, queen of the Ethiopians, in charge of all her treasure, had come to Jerusalem to worship
28: and was returning; seated in his chariot, he was reading the prophet Isaiah.
29: And the Spirit said to Philip, "Go up and join this chariot."
30: So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and asked, "Do you understand what you are reading?"
31: And he said, "How can I, unless some one guides me?" And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.
St Paul said "1 Tim3:15: if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which [b]is the church [/b]of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth"

So the Church founded by Jesus Christ is where you can find truth, not in your own interpretation.[/quote]

I must say,for someone who always have the answers for everything and are never wrong you are pretty harsh on BUDGE.
I like the way you pick out bible verses to your liking,especially 2 Peter 1:20-u love doing that don't you?

The truth can only be found in the word of God,not in a church denomination
Especially not one with all kinds of idols and graven images in and on it.

There is absolutely [b]no[/b] lies in the word of God,not one person that wrote that inspired book,as far as i am concerned
is a pedophile,a rapist a mason or any other dodgy character,the word of God is the [b]only[/b] place to look for answers.
Why on earth do you want to go to the church for answers if you can go straight to the top to YAWEH Himself.
How can you have a personal relationship with Yashua if you don't confess to [b]HIM [/b]and COMMUNICATE with him 24/7 about
everything in your life?

The [b]Church[/b] is in reality the followers of Yashua,the people that live for Him day in day out.
They are the people with a relationship with him,they are the body of the church.

[Budge]

[quote]the word of God is the only place to look for answers.[/quote]

Amen to that.

The fact of the matter is almost every institutional church in the world is going in the toilet [that includes even my old "denomination"]. Ones faith better be based on Jesus Christ and God's word and not on men.

The real Christian church, the ekkelesia continues on...strong.

Edited March 14, 2007 by Budge

[NewReformation]

[quote name='Budge' post='1213754' date='Mar 14 2007, 07:00 PM']Amen to that.

The fact of the matter is almost every institutional church in the world is going in the toilet [that includes even my old "denomination"]. Ones faith better be based on Jesus Christ and God's word and not on men.

The real Christian church, the ekkelesia continues on...strong.[/quote]
What is a Fundamentalist?

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Budge' post='1213521' date='Mar 14 2007, 12:10 PM']BTW Fulltruth, when youre getting full blown physical manifestations of demons, that is some serious business...
The stuff about knowing "some Nephilims" and some of the other mighty hints youve been dropping on this board, tells me why you are here.

I was not shocked when you started 'fighting" me and posting against my messages here.[/quote]
You don't have to tell me that Demons attacking you and you're feeling the effects physically it's serious business. Over the last two months I have dropped over 15 pounds, much of it from losing my appetite. But that is a small sacrifice for me, when I consider heaven.

Nice subtle hint there Budge. I don't practice any kind of magic, and neither does my family. I am not a Nephilim. I'm not your enemy. I just think you are an opinionated little man who wants to prove you are right and everybody else is wrong. That is not the quality of a Christian, period. I don't like you, but liking you isn't a prerequisite of either of us being in Heaven.

Budge, you are where I was a few months ago. I was totally prejudiced against any other religious ideals. Unless you were oneness, believing the fullness was in Jesus Christ, baptized in Jesus Name, you were going to go to hell. That is a person driven by religious demons.

I didn't start fighting you Budge, you did so during my Sabbath Day Post.

I wish you all the best.

Edited March 15, 2007 by FullTruth

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[quote name='Budge' post='1213521' date='Mar 14 2007, 11:10 AM']BTW Fulltruth, when youre getting full blown physical manifestations of demons, that is some serious business...
The stuff about knowing "some Nephilims" and some of the other mighty hints youve been dropping on this board, tells me why you are here.

I was not shocked when you started 'fighting" me and posting against my messages here.[/quote]

Did you really accuse fulltruth of being demonic?

Budge. I worry that you are slowly losing your grasp on reality. Hating everyone else but you is not christian in any form. regardless of your confessional community

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Truthseeker777' post='1213724' date='Mar 14 2007, 06:35 PM']The truth can only be found in the word of God, not in a church denomination

[color="#4169E1"]St Paul said "1 Tim3:15: if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is [b]the church [/b]of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth"[/color]

Especially not one with all kinds of idols and graven images in and on it.

[color="#4169E1"]You haven't a clue to what a graven image is.[/color]

There is absolutely [b]no[/b] lies in the word of God,not one person that wrote that inspired book,as far as i am concerned
is a pedophile,a rapist a mason or any other dodgy character,the word of God is the [b]only[/b] place to look for answers.

[color="#4169E1"]So you are claiming that the inspired writers of the word of God were sinless? I remind you one was a tax collector and another a murderer.[/color]

Why on earth do you want to go to the church for answers if you can go straight to the top to YAWEH Himself.

[color="#4169E1"]Hey I AM quoting the Bible about the Church, remember? We do go straight to God.[/color]

How can you have a personal relationship with Yashua if you don't confess to [b]HIM [/b]and COMMUNICATE with him 24/7 about
everything in your life?

[color="#4169E1"]How do you assume we don't? Rememer we eat His Body and drink His Blood every time we go to Holy Communion. How much more personal do you think we can get???[/color]
The [b]Church[/b] is in reality the followers of Yashua,the people that live for Him day in day out.
They are the people with a relationship with him,they are the body of the church.

[color="#4169E1"]Again that is not what the quoted scripture says. You wanna tell God His inspired writers were wrong, be my guest.[/color][/quote]

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Budge' post='1213521' date='Mar 14 2007, 11:10 AM']BTW Fulltruth, when youre getting full blown physical manifestations of demons, that is some serious business...
The stuff about knowing "some Nephilims" and some of the other mighty hints youve been dropping on this board, tells me why you are here.

I was not shocked when you started 'fighting" me and posting against my messages here.[/quote]

Jeez Budge... I can not believe you just accused FullTruth of being possesed...

[quote name='GloriaIesusChristi' post='1213568' date='Mar 14 2007, 11:49 AM']So not only are you not happy, and definatly not making any sense when it comes to Catholic Dogma (whether it be Byzatine, Roman, or Greek your ignorant of all true and real doctrinal facets.) you're not even happy with your own. Man are you lost or what?! You see I fully believe in the theory that when we act like geniuses to other Christians, God has a way of putting all the dirt we kicked on other Christians back in our faces. Sadly Budge that may happen to you, and when it does I will dance for joy. Catholics have no brawls ( at least I don't) with the majority of Protestant Christianity. But, sadly it seems that in attempt to keep the peace the only ones that are not being peaceful, are Protestant Christians. Protestant Christianity to me keeps Christ's teachings alive under different circumstances.

You, on the other hand, have not even an inkling of what you thing you know about the Catholic faith. You're are accusing it saddens me just as much as it angers me to see a child of God, judging when the they are told not to. (Matthew 7:1) Just because you are an angry ex-catholic who knows how to manipulate Scripture verses to prove your theory (only to your self mind you) does not mean that groups of educated Catholics will start kicking and screaming in the pews with your for theories that make [b]you[/b] happy instead of what makes [b]God[/b] happy.

And, for heaven's sake!! Will you bloody read some church history! If the Catholic church never existed your faith would have never existed, you wouldn't have even knows who to worship or how! So read, read, read Church history! Unless you're too good to know the origin of Christianity.[/quote]

Amen

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1213827' date='Mar 14 2007, 08:36 PM']Did you really accuse fulltruth of being demonic?

Budge. I worry that you are slowly losing your grasp on reality. Hating everyone else but you is not christian in any form. regardless of your confessional community[/quote]

I will pray for you Budge