Check Out These Christian Frauds

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Budge' post='1213242' date='Mar 13 2007, 10:16 PM']Any group that denies the divinity of Christ, [denies Christ as God come in the flesh] is a cult.[/quote]According to what standard would you assign the term "cult"? You sentence is just an [i]ad hominem[/i], with no meaningful content. Having a bad day?

[Socrates]

[quote name='Budge' post='1213235' date='Mar 13 2007, 08:05 PM']Good post, I agree with you about all of them.

One thing that concerns me about Catholics is they do not expose their frauds but at least on message boards online, they seem to defend them.

Add Brian McLaren, Rick Warren, Creflo Dollar, Robert Schuller, all the Emergents, Pat Robertson, John Hagee--teaches false Dominionism, James Robison, and James Dobson to that list.[/quote]
In fact everyone is a fraud except for Budge, God's Chosen Prophet.

Maybe Catholics think time is better spent proclaiming God's Truth, rather than paying all our attention to frauds. And as I recall, plenty of the frauds Budge has been promoting have been exposed on here.

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Budge' post='1213246' date='Mar 13 2007, 10:19 PM']Anyone who has joined with Rome and interfaithism is teaching against the Christian gospel.

Some may be sincere but they are wrong. The ones who are living in 8 million dollar mansions show what they are in it for.

I test preachers via the Bible not by my own standards.

You are told to accept whatever they teach you.[/quote]I'll take that as a yes. You must be having a bad day. Days will become a lot more happier and hopeful when you return to the Catholic Faith. You certainly won't be so weighed down by the endless hunt to find fault in others.

[Budge]

[quote]You certainly won't be so weighed down by the endless hunt to find fault in others.[/quote]

Ill do a thread of GOOD preachers for you all later.

[FullTruth]

Yeah, I definitely starting to get that feeling. All Budge does is get on my nerves. Makes a comment about Oneness believers denying the divinity of the christ, without even finding out what they believe.

You guys know what Oneness/Modalistic believers believe, don't you. Go tell Budge!

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Budge' post='1213255' date='Mar 13 2007, 10:26 PM']Ill do a thread of GOOD preachers for you all later.[/quote]I hope they're all independent Baptists.

[Budge]

[quote]According to what standard would you assign the term "cult"? You sentence is just an ad hominem, with no meaningful content. Having a bad day?[/quote]

Dont you disagree with Oneness Pentes denying the divinity of Christ?

[Budge]

[quote]I hope they're all independent Baptists.[/quote]

Actually no.

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Budge' post='1213260' date='Mar 13 2007, 10:30 PM']Dont you disagree with Oneness Pentes denying the divinity of Christ?
[/quote]I'm questioning your application of the term "cult." You have appropriated it for an emotional, non-reasoned attack.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Budge' post='1213260' date='Mar 13 2007, 10:30 PM']Dont you disagree with Oneness Pentes denying the divinity of Christ?
[/quote]
NO! I was one of them.

They believe that Jesus Christ is YHWH manifested in the flesh. Jesus Christ is the Son, Jesus Christ is the Father, and Jesus Christ is the holy ghost. Jesus Christ is all of God in the flesh.

So, no they don't deny the divinity of Christ, they embrace until it gets distorted.

Get it!

That is why they only baptize in the name of Jesus Christ, because they believe it fulfills the great commission, to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, because they believe Jesus Christ is all of these things.

So Budge, you just opened your mouth and put a big foot into it, because you said something without all the facts.

[Budge]

That is still confusion and not what the Bible teaches.

Jesus taught us how to pray, they ignore it.

Edited March 14, 2007 by Budge

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1213256' date='Mar 13 2007, 09:27 PM']Yeah, I definitely starting to get that feeling. All Budge does is get on my nerves. Makes a comment about Oneness believers denying the divinity of the christ, without even finding out what they believe.

You guys know what Oneness/Modalistic believers believe, don't you. Go tell Budge![/quote]

I'm sure we would be glad to for you, but since when does Budge listen to us?

[Sojourner]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1213256' date='Mar 13 2007, 08:27 PM']Yeah, I definitely starting to get that feeling. All Budge does is get on my nerves. Makes a comment about Oneness believers denying the divinity of the christ, without even finding out what they believe.

You guys know what Oneness/Modalistic believers believe, don't you. Go tell Budge![/quote]
Modalism is an ancient heresy that teaches that God is one person who manifests in different modes: Father, Son, and Spirit. It's a denial of the Trinity: three persons in one God.

The Christian Research Journal had a great article on this several years ago ... can't find it online now, but they accused T.D. Jakes of being a modalist.

[Budge]

[quote]Makes a comment about Oneness believers denying the divinity of the christ, without even finding out what they believe.[/quote]

Every cult quibbles about "what they really believe"

Ive had some Ruckmanites who also deny the divnity of Christ..the Baptist branch of Oneness theologies, do the whole song and dance too. One man has refused to answer the question..iS Jesus Christ God? for years. Wont say no and denies Christ by never saying yes.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Budge' post='1213271' date='Mar 13 2007, 10:37 PM']That is still confusion and not what the Bible teaches.

Jesus taught us how to pray, they ignore it.[/quote]
I agree they distort the divinity in the christ, in a fashion.

I believe in a pluarity of God who is a single person. I don't not believe there is three persons in one substance, but I believe on person is is three substances, and that the three all make up one person. Before you say, the bible doesn't say that, All I would need to do is put up the thousands of locations of scripture that describes God as a HE, HIS, HIM, ME, MY, MINE, AND I, and give you a small grammer lesson that such language denotes a single personal pronoun, but you wouldn't believe me.

When it comes down to it budge, the only thing that saves you is the belief Jesus Christ is the Great I AM, trust in the grace of God, and repent of your sins, be baptized, and be filled with the holy ghost, which isn't speaking in tongues, and loving your brothers and sister in christ.

I've often said, I guess when we lecutre one to another we fulfill the law and the prophets. Is that what Scripture said. I consider many people here my brothers and sisters in Christ. I feel sorry you don't. Does that mean I'm going to join any religion? No.

I'm totally independent, non-denominational christian who loves God, reads his bible, and prays the Lord's prayer every day.

All churches are in heresy right now, in my opinion, even your church Budge. I don't want anybody here to be offended. Church is a place were we get to know God, but it shouldn't end there. Church is the beginning of knowing God, and shouldn't be the end of it.