What Schools Should Teach

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='Proud2BCatholic139' post='1235246' date='Apr 9 2007, 12:18 AM']When the schools are teaching about these contraceptives, why don't they tell about the side effects. Like, breast cancer!?!

Oh and my Biology Book gives NFP a 70 percent effective rate. What bologna.[/quote]

Same here. They also didn't tell us that it can take like 2 years for your fertility to return after coming off the pill, and of course it messes up your natural hormones, etc.

And I think the only version of NFP they said was the "rhythm method". Goodness.

[RezaMikhaeil]

This is a very important topic, probably the most for mothers and future mothers of our generation.

It's weird because my grandmother knew very few women back in the day that had miscarriages but since the mass production of the pill, we see them frequently. I'd always preached that there was a connection between the pill and miscarriages [thou medical professionals don't seem to connect the dots the same]. I'm proud to say that my wife has never taken an oral contraceptive [we're against all contraceptives] and because of this, our daughter's birth had no complications. We were married for 3 years prior, so what did we do? We practiced abstinence until we were ready for a child [it's not complicated].

I don't believe that women are told of the truth about contraceptives. Most married women I know that are taking contraceptives, are taking them because of not being prepared for a child, but don't put enough effort towards self control and abstinence, so contraceptives is "the miracle pill" but what they don't know is as the last poster said:

[quote]it can take like 2 years for your fertility to return after coming off the pill[/quote] or that it takes time for the chemicals to come out of your system, so it cause also cause horrifying miscarriages.

What is so annoying to me is women that get pregnant immediately after discontining their use of oral contraceptives, and then end with a miscarrage at the 6 month mark, then blaming it on everything else but the pill. I guess it's a lack of chemestry knowledge or common sense, but I seriously don't know why nobody connects the dots.

Reza

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1235994' date='Apr 9 2007, 02:23 PM']What is so annoying to me is women that get pregnant immediately after discontining their use of oral contraceptives, and then end with a miscarrage at the 6 month mark, then blaming it on everything else but the pill. I guess it's a lack of chemestry knowledge or common sense, but I seriously don't know why nobody connects the dots.

Reza[/quote]

My mom had 3 miscarriages, 2 of which were right after coming off the pill, one because her body weight was too low to support a pregnancy. While she didn't make the connection with the pill at that time, she does now. I think if women actually knew what these chemicals did, they'd stay far away from them.

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1236016' date='Apr 9 2007, 08:07 AM']My mom had 3 miscarriages, 2 of which were right after coming off the pill, one because her body weight was too low to support a pregnancy. While she didn't make the connection with the pill at that time, she does now. I think if women actually knew what these chemicals did, they'd stay far away from them.[/quote]
I think if women actually wanted to know what the pills did to them, they would find out. They already know that it causes weight gain, and take anyway.

But I don't think most people do want to find out the truth. The allure of consequence-free sex is too strong.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

They should teach that they are a grave violation of natural law.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='Terra Firma' post='1236457' date='Apr 9 2007, 10:37 PM']I think if women actually wanted to know what the pills did to them, they would find out. They already know that it causes weight gain, and take anyway.

But I don't think most people do want to find out the truth. The allure of consequence-free sex is too strong.[/quote]

I really think some are truly ignorant both of what they do, and where to find the information. I'm sure some is because they don't want to know, but not all. I was put on the pill at 16 for medical reasons and didn't know the questions to ask until I was older, and wished I'd known before. I knew about the weight gain, but that was all. My doctor didn't feel the need to tell me more about it, just that it would "fix" me (which of course I now know to be false, but didn't understand at the time.

That being said, unfortunately for many it is the allure of being able to have sex without any consequences, without worrying about your cycle. And that is incredibly sad.

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1236511' date='Apr 9 2007, 03:47 PM']I really think some are truly ignorant both of what they do, and where to find the information. I'm sure some is because they don't want to know, but not all. I was put on the pill at 16 for medical reasons and didn't know the questions to ask until I was older, and wished I'd known before. I knew about the weight gain, but that was all. My doctor didn't feel the need to tell me more about it, just that it would "fix" me (which of course I now know to be false, but didn't understand at the time.

That being said, unfortunately for many it is the allure of being able to have sex without any consequences, without worrying about your cycle. And that is incredibly sad.[/quote]

Definately, most women that I know don't care to find out because it never crosses their mind. A doctor says "there aren't any risks outside of ....." and the young teen girl takes the doctor's word for it, end of story. My wife only didn't get involved with it in her life, because she saw alot of problems in women [particularly cancer] and started connecting the dots in her own mind. This led to [after she became a nurse on an oncology floor at her hospital] searching and finding the truth about the actual chemicals, etc.

Reza

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1236529' date='Apr 9 2007, 07:14 PM']Definately, most women that I know don't care to find out because it never crosses their mind. A doctor says "there aren't any risks outside of ....." and the young teen girl takes the doctor's word for it, end of story. My wife only didn't get involved with it in her life, because she saw alot of problems in women [particularly cancer] and started connecting the dots in her own mind. This led to [after she became a nurse on an oncology floor at her hospital] searching and finding the truth about the actual chemicals, etc.[/quote]By "connecting the dots," I assume you mean that she saw a connection between the pill and these health problems. Is that right?

Out of curiousity, would a doctor or nurse have access to a patient's use of birth control pills in order to make a connection with possible health side-effects?

In her experience, does your wife notice if other health professionals are coming to similar conclusions because of their own experiences working in a hospital?

I hope you'll forgive the questions: I'm a bit "in the dark" on this subject.

[Lena]

[quote name='Mateo el Feo' post='1236597' date='Apr 9 2007, 07:06 PM']By "connecting the dots," I assume you mean that she saw a connection between the pill and these health problems. Is that right?

Out of curiousity, would a doctor or nurse have access to a patient's use of birth control pills in order to make a connection with possible health side-effects?

In her experience, does your wife notice if other health professionals are coming to similar conclusions because of their own experiences working in a hospital?

I hope you'll forgive the questions: I'm a bit "in the dark" on this subject.[/quote]


Doctors and nurses always ask what you are taking in general and sometimes specifically they will ask if you are taking BC pills. If they didn't prescribe it personally, they wouldn't know what you take.

However, some people take birth control pills for other reasons--in fact there is a high number of women that take it for reasons other than as a contraceptive.

Edited April 10, 2007 by Lena

[2xbob]

I voted "don't teach anything about it." What sex-ed should teach is the biological and technical end. If they teach an abstinence only program people will be all up in arms while a contraceptive only program will end in the same. I don't trust public schools to deal out morality, thats my job as a (future) parent and a job I am willing to face head on.

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1236511' date='Apr 9 2007, 04:47 PM']I really think some are truly ignorant both of what they do, and where to find the information. I'm sure some is because they don't want to know, but not all. I was put on the pill at 16 for medical reasons and didn't know the questions to ask until I was older, and wished I'd known before. I knew about the weight gain, but that was all. My doctor didn't feel the need to tell me more about it, just that it would "fix" me (which of course I now know to be false, but didn't understand at the time.

That being said, unfortunately for many it is the allure of being able to have sex without any consequences, without worrying about your cycle. And that is incredibly sad.[/quote]
good point


after a certain point, though, there is ignorance, and there is "ignorance." If you know what I mean.

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='Mateo el Feo' post='1236597' date='Apr 9 2007, 05:06 PM']By "connecting the dots," I assume you mean that she saw a connection between the pill and these health problems. Is that right?

[color="#FF0000"]That's right, she made the connection because most of these women lived normal lives just like her, and most women but the major difference was the oral contraceptive [in which some women took to avoid a period, as birth control reduces it from every month to as little as twice a year for some women, and she'd told me of some women that only had it once a year or once every two years].[/color]

Out of curiousity, would a doctor or nurse have access to a patient's use of birth control pills in order to make a connection with possible health side-effects?

[color="#FF0000"]It might be briefly asked but it's never persued much because these birth control pills are known as "safe" and the FDA puts their stamp of approval on them. If a woman was to have cancer, breast cancer for example, a doctor [from her experiences] is more likely to say that it was caused by something hitting her breasts, then birth control. Rarely ever is the birth control idea entertained, and legally it's pretty obvious of why. Hypothetically if a woman was diagnosed with breast cancer [out of the many kinds that birth control subjects her to...] and a doctor were to say that it was from birth control, this woman would have the right to sue the manufacturer that said "it's safe", among other long investigations... and of course the doctor that made the diagnosis would be questioned by the lawyers of that particular manufacturer of the pill and ultimately various second opinions would criticize that doctor, etc.[/color]

In her experience, does your wife notice if other health professionals are coming to similar conclusions because of their own experiences working in a hospital?

[color="#FF0000"]There's some that do and some that don't. More and More nurses that have spent significant amounts of time in the profession, are pushing for a more natural method on nearly every practice, just because of the innate intelligence that God gives his creation. Being that these nurses get to see the different waves that our society goes through and everything that goes with it [seeing the number of people getting cancer, that have used the drug, despite the FDA saying that it's "safe"], most people would say not to put chemicals into your body that have gotten to see this. There are thou, those nurses that are young feminists [sorry if anyone here's a feminist], that are about what's "convinient" not what's realistic. Those women take birth control, even if they aren't partaking in intercourse, just to minimize their periods, to make everything in life more convinient for them and their care free attitude.[/color]


I hope you'll forgive the questions: I'm a bit "in the dark" on this subject.

[color="#FF0000"]I like you, you got a sense of humor sometimes. [/color][/quote]

[N/A Gone]

[quote name='Raphael' post='1236460' date='Apr 9 2007, 04:39 PM']They should teach that they are a grave violation of natural law.[/quote]

Its really cute if you think people in a secular enviroment care about natural law.

We are having a debate for our final in human development. Our issue is birth control (being that the teacher is an advocate of it, and Im the token catholic kid) More ammo the better.

There was a recent study done through the Mayo clinic that says if you are on a birth control pill before you have completed a full cycle (IE, had a kid) you have a 40-48% greater risk of breast cancer.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='Terra Firma' post='1237038' date='Apr 10 2007, 03:30 AM']good point
after a certain point, though, there is ignorance, and there is "ignorance." If you know what I mean.[/quote]

Oh definitely. There's quite a difference between truly not knowing what questions to even ask, and therefore remaining ignorant of the answers, and knowing the types of things you should ask but determining to remain "ignorant" by simply ignoring those questions. I mean, as I got older I actually started wondering more, and did some research. But this is one case where I think women just need to make sure the prescribing doctor tells them everything about it.