Ways To Tell What Denominations, Are Actually Free Masons.

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better go ahead and throw out that bible of yours.

as well as your understanding of simple christian theological concepts.

[Budge]

[quote]better go ahead and throw out that bible of yours.[/quote]

Why when I am making it clear the Bible {Gods Word} is my authority and not ECFs?

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God's Word is the Logos, Christ. Not the bible. The Jesus that found the Church and instituted the sacraments. That church, with its authority canonized the bible that you use. Without the authority of the Church (which christ gave) giving authority to the scriptures you simply have a historical book. No jargon of protestant biblical criticism can make up for that.

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Budge' post='1213723' date='Mar 14 2007, 05:29 PM']You have "degrees" even like the Masons, and call it the same thing except they have 32nd and 33

Can you tell your wife about these rituals?

what happens to those who tell and get caught?

Look if you are in an organization that keeps secrets, and has secret "brotherhood" rituals, you are in a secret society even if you dont call it that.

If you are Christains why should you pursue a WOW factor outside of Christ?[/quote]


1) Other religions "pray" too, does that mean we shouldn't pray?

2) I cannot disclose, however, it isn't death threats or anything of the sort.

3) So let me get this straight, you will beat the living carp out of your children, if you saw them form a simple, harmless [b]Christian[/b] club, in which they kept a few secrets of their harmless practices?

4) This does not make sense. Everytime you first listen to a great song that catches you, that's a "WOW factor" there. Everytime you see a great blockbuster hit movie in theaters, expect to be "WOWed" by it's story, special FX, and action. The first time you make (or made) love to your spouse, thats a WOW factor right there. Christ is THEE wow factor, but I don't see anywhere in the Bible that prohibits Christians from enjoying and being excited about simple things in life. Actually, the more you appreciate the simple things in life, the better you praise God for His magnificant work. If you don't, how can you thank God for His creation if you haven't been "WOW"ed by it?

Edited March 15, 2007 by Paladin D

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1213745' date='Mar 14 2007, 07:49 PM']talk about a freudian slip...I often just say the rebellion anyway.
trace your roots brother. I have told you this before. "non-denom" doesnt exist. "bible believing" should be every christian
explain..does that mean that every organized body is a cult? Considering I worked with ritual and Occultic studies I find this answer to be very naive.
shhh, budge thinks any christian before she was born is the devil. That Jesus guy started a cult and she is trying to save her Jesus from that Jesus. The bible came down from heaven like manna(which of course is only spiritual also..right?) and was found at the local christian book store[/quote]
Almost every single Protestant religion has ties to Free Masons.

Lutherans, Luther has been proposed to be a Free Mason.
I don't know about many other Protestant religions, but if their religion preaches Pre-Trib Rapture, that was a doctrine popularized by John Darby, a 33rd Degree Free Mason, shows they have accepted doctrines from Free Masons, which means the Free Masons are involved in that religion.
Any of the Pentecostal Religions in the world can trace the roots back to Charles Pharam, who was a Free Mason - I'm not sure which degree, and who was also arrested for Sodomy.

I would say every single religion in the world has Free Masons in it, most likely preachers so they can cause the paritioners to fall, because Free Masons and the Illuminati want to discredit Christianity in the eyes of the general populace, so people will not take up the war to destroy the Free Masons and Illuminati through going into prayer against them in the holy and exalted name of Jesus Christ. (Hey Budge, if you think I'm a Free Mason or Illuminati and a Nephilim, why would I give people an understanding on how to defeat them. . .

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brother, sometimes it is like another person is writing

[FullTruth]

That is what happens when you start scratching the surface of the doctrines churches preach.

I never felt the Pre-Trib rapture was truth, even when I started my walk in Christ.

I Just want people to know of the deceptions that are happening, including the deception that Israel has been restored, which it hasn't. Ask me why, if you want to know. I'll just leave a little hint, it isn't the UN and its masters that is suppose to gather Israel, it is Christ.

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scratch the surface of doctrines? thats what I go to school for..woot-woot

[NewReformation]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1213831' date='Mar 14 2007, 08:52 PM']Almost every single Protestant religion has ties to Free Masons.

Lutherans, Luther has been proposed to be a Free Mason.
I don't know about many other Protestant religions, but if their religion preaches Pre-Trib Rapture, that was a doctrine popularized by John Darby, a 33rd Degree Free Mason, shows they have accepted doctrines from Free Masons, which means the Free Masons are involved in that religion.
Any of the Pentecostal Religions in the world can trace the roots back to Charles Pharam, who was a Free Mason - I'm not sure which degree, and who was also arrested for Sodomy.

I would say every single religion in the world has Free Masons in it, most likely preachers so they can cause the paritioners to fall, because Free Masons and the Illuminati want to discredit Christianity in the eyes of the general populace, so people will not take up the war to destroy the Free Masons and Illuminati through going into prayer against them in the holy and exalted name of Jesus Christ. (Hey Budge, if you think I'm a Free Mason or Illuminati and a Nephilim, why would I give people an understanding on how to defeat them. . .[/quote]

I thought Jesuits controlled the pulpits?

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jesuits ARE free masons. but the free masons got angy and rebelled and now they have split into thousands of free-masons. Hence the term free. If you walk down the block you can find your locak first free mason evangelical baptist community church of mason

[jeffpugh]

Wha? Translation?

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1213839' date='Mar 14 2007, 10:16 PM']jesuits ARE free masons. but the free masons got angy and rebelled and now they have split into thousands of free-masons. Hence the term free. If you walk down the block you can find your locak first free mason evangelical baptist community church of mason[/quote]
Thanks Rev. I was going to reply with the same, but the Internet wouldn't let me.

[Dave]

[quote name='Truthseeker777' post='1213725' date='Mar 14 2007, 05:47 PM']Hi Dave,
i found this oath of the KOC.
Is it still the same?
How many dergrees do you have?
I see you are a 4th.
The Oath of the Knights of Columbus, Knights of Malta and Rhodes Scholars is based upon the Oath of the Jesuits

(This is an extract of the Congressional Record of the House of Representatives dated February 15, 1913, where the oath is entered as purported to be of the Knights of Columbus).
"I, ............, now in the presence of Almighty God, the blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the Holy Apostles, St. Peter and St. Paul, and all the saints, sacred host of heaven, and to you, my Ghostly Father, the superior general of the Society of Jesus rounded by St. Ignatius Loyola, in the pontification of Paul the III and continued to the present, do by the womb at the Virgin, the matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear that His Holiness the Pope, is Christ's vice regent and is the true and only head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and that by virtue of the keys of binding and loosing given His Holiness by my Savior, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose heretical kings, princes, States, Commonwealths, and Governments and they may be safely destroyed. Therefore to the utmost of ray power I will defend this doctrine and His Holiness's right and custom against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority whatever, especially the Lutheran Church of Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, and Norway and the now pretended authority and Churches of England and Scotland, and the branches of same now established in Ireland and on the Continent of America and elsewhere, and all adherents in regard that they may be usurped and heretical, opposing the sacred Mother Church of Rome."

"I do now denounce and disown any allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince, or State, named Protestant or Liberals, or obedience to any of their laws, magistrates, or officers."

"I do further declare that the doctrine of the Churches of England and Scotland, of the Calvinists, Huguenots, and others of the name of Protestants or Masons to be damnable, and they themselves to be damned who will not forsake the same."

"I do further declare that I will help assist, and advise all or any of His Holiness's agents, in any place where I should be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Ireland, or America, or in any other kingdom or territory I shall come to and do my utmost to extirpate the heretical Protestant or Masonic doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, legal or otherwise."

"I do further promise and declare that, notwithstanding I am dispensed with to assume any religion heretical for the propagation of the Mother Church's interest to keep secret and private all her agents' counsels from time to time, as they intrust me and not divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing, or circumstances whatever but to execute all that should be proposed, given in charge or discovered unto me by you my Ghostly Father, or any of this sacred order."

"I do further promise and declare that I will have no opinion or will of my own or any mental reservation whatsoever, even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ."

"That I will go to any part of the world whithersoever I may be sent, to the frozen regions north, jungles of India, to the centers of civilization of Europe, or to the wild haunts of the barbarous savages of America without murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all things whatsoever is communicated to me."

"I do further promise and declare that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war, secretly and openly against all heretics, Protestants and Masons, as I am directed to do to extirpate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex, or condition, and that will hang, bum, waste, boil, flay, strangle, and bury alive these infamous heretics; rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women, and crush their infants' heads against the wails in order to annihilate their execrable race. That when the same can not be done openly, I will secretly use the poisonous cup, the strangulation cord, the steel of the poniard, or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agents of the Pope or superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Father of the Society of Jesus."

"In confirmation of which I hereby dedicate my life, soul, and all corporal powers, and with the dagger which I now receive I will subscribe my name written in my blood in testimony thereof; and should I prove false or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and fellow soldiers of the militia of the Pope cut off my hands and feet and my throat from ear to ear, my belly opened and sulphur burned therein with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on earth and my soul shall be tortured by demons in eternal hell forever."

"That I will in voting always vote for K. of C, in preference to a Protestant, especially a Mason, and that I will leave my party so to do; that if two Catholics are on the ticket I will satisfy myself which is the better supporter of Mother Church and vote accordingly."

"That I will not deal with or employ a Protestant if in my power to deal with or employ a Catholic. That I will place Catholic girls in Protestant families that a weekly report may be made of the inner movements of the heretics."

"That I will provide myself with arms and ammunition that I may be in readiness when the word is passed, or I am commanded to defend the church either as an individual or with the militia of the Pope."

"All of which I, ............, do swear by the blessed Trinity and blessed sacrament which I am now to receive to perform and on part to keep this, my oath."

"In testimony hereof, I take this most holy and blessed Sacrament of the Eucharist and witness the same further with my name written with the point of this dagger dipped in my own blood and seal in the face of this holy sacrament."[/quote]

I echo everything that Paladin D said. And to answer your questions, there are only 4 degrees of the Knights of Columbus. I'm a 3rd degree, not a 4th degree. And while I would never divulge what the Knights' oath says (I can't even remember what it says anyway), I can say that the oath you provided is utter nonsense and is totally un-Knights-related.

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[quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1213872' date='Mar 14 2007, 10:32 PM']Wha? Translation?[/quote]


making fun of the reformation

[Fixxxer]

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1213031' date='Mar 13 2007, 11:16 AM']Hey, Fixxxer. The initiation ceremony I posted is 100% correct. This may come to a surprise to you, but the History Channel is part of the Illuminati and they control what they want the public to know. Do you think the History Channel would actually tell you the truth about Freemasonry? No way man. The information I posted is stuff they don't want anyone to know about, although it has already been leaked by former Masons who have gone public.[/quote]

How do you know all this? How are you 100% sure the information is correct... unless YOU ARE IN THE ILLUMINATI, stop with the lies and ADMIT IT. I know its the truth, I searched it on the internet and found it.