The Imperishable Catholic Church...

[Akalyte]

The Imperishable Catholic Church...

In 2Samuel, GOD prefigured the Church which the "Seed of David", Jesus Christ will found.

"And when your days shall be fulfilled and you shall sleep with your fathers, I will raise up your seed after you, which shall proceed out of your bowels, and I will establish His kingdom. He shall build a house to my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever."

2Samuel 7:12-13

"They shall be cursed that shall despise you; and they shall be condemned that shall blaspheme you; and blessed shall they be that shall build you up."
Tobit 13:16 Isaiah, who so accurately predicted many things about Jesus Christ, including the details of His passion in Isaiah 53, also foretold, equally as accurate, details of the Church which Jesus Christ would set up.

"No weapon that is formed against you shall prosper; and every tongue that resists you in judgment, you shall condemn. This is the inheritance of the servants of the Lord, and their justice with me, said the Lord."
Isaiah 54:17

"This is my covenant with them, said the Lord: My Spirit that is in you, and the words that I have put in your mouth, shall not depart out of your mouth, nor out of the mouth of your seed, nor out of the mouth of your seed's seed, said the Lord, from henceforth and forever."

Isaiah 59:21

This is a clearly stated guarantee of the perpetuality and orthodoxy of the Catholic Church. Jeremiah had this to say, one short example out of many.
"And I will gather together the remnant of My flock, out of all the lands into which I have cast them out; and I will make them return to their own fields, and they shall increase and be multiplied. And I will set up pastors over them, and they shall feed them: they shall fear no more, and they shall not be dismayed, and none shall be wanting of their number, said the Lord."

Jeremiah 3:15, 23:3-4 Daniel had some things to say also.

"But in the days of those kingdoms the GOD of heaven will set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed, and His kingdom shall not be delivered up to another people; and it shall break in pieces, and shall consume all these kingdoms, and itself shall stand forever."
Daniel 2:44

"It is decreed by me, that in all my empire and my kingdom all men dread and fear the GOD of Daniel. Fir he is the living and eternal GOD forever; and his kingdom shall not be destroyed, and his power shall be forever."

Daniel 6:26

"And He gave him power, and glory, and a kingdom, and all peoples, tribes and tongues shall serve Him. His power is an everlasting power that shall not be taken away, and his kingdom shall not be destroyed."

Daniel 7:14 Micah added to the prophecies.

"And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be prepared in the top of the mountains, and high above the hills, and people shall flow to it. And many nations shall come in haste, and say: Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the GOD of Jacob, and he will teach us his ways, and we will walk in his paths, for the law shall go forth out of Zion, and the word of the Lord out of Jerusalem."

Micah 4:1-2 Zechariah wrote this:

"Thus said the Lord of Hosts: I am returned to Zion, and I will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem; and Jerusalem shall be called the city of truth, and the mountain of the Lord of Hosts, the sanctified mountain."

Zechariah 8:3

Jerusalem here is of course the New Jerusalem. It is the Catholic Church which is the "City of Truth", and the "Mountain of the Lord of Hosts". Haggai wrote this:
"And I will move all nations, and the desired of all nations shall come; and I will fill his house with glory, said the Lord of Hosts. The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, said the Lord of Hosts. Great shall be the glory of this last house more than of the first, said the Lord of Hosts; and in this place I will give peace, said the Lord of Hosts."

Haggai 2:8-10

The "Desired of all Nations" could only mean Jesus Christ, and the Church He will build is the "Last House", the indefectible Catholic Church, greater in glory than what it replaced. It is the Church which will last until the end of the world (Matthew 16:18, 28:20, Ephesians 3:21).
"So now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone. For if this plan or work is of men, it will be overthrown; but if it is of GOD, you will not be able to overthrow it. Else perhaps you may find yourselves fighting even against GOD."

Acts 5:38-39

Isn't this the reason why the Catholic Church has lasted for almost 2000 years? "Let them be ashamed and troubled forever and let them be confounded and perish."

Psalms 83:18

Read all of Psalms 83 as it relates what will happen to the enemies of GOD's Church.
"And I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

Matthew 16:18

Clearly, Jesus said he will build one Church only, and it will not be destroyed from within or from without. Why then, do some insist the gates did prevail by saying the Church apostatized soon after the last Apostle died? Do they call Jesus a liar by saying these things? "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and behold, I am with you all days, even until the consummation of the world."

Matthew 28:20

Jesus could not have said it any plainer that he would be with his Church every day, in every century, until the end of time. Why then do some deny his words by saying his Church apostatized shortly after the last Apostle died? Aren't they again calling him a liar? See 1John 5:10.
"And I will ask the Father and He will give you another advocate to dwell with you forever."

John 14:16

Forever sounds like a very long time to me. Why then do some insist it is not true? Did the Holy Spirit leave the Church which Jesus Christ founded? Did Jesus lie yet again? "To Him be glory in the Church and in Christ Jesus down through all the ages of time without end."

Ephesians 3:21


Doesn't this say that the Church which Jesus Christ founded will last forever? How on earth did the Catholic Church ever survive for almost two millennia? The answer to that one is easy, as Holy Scripture gives us the answers... "Fear not, for I am with thee: turn not aside, for I am your GOD. I have strengthened thee,
and have helped thee, and the right hand of My Just One hath upheld thee.
Behold all that fight against thee shall be confounded* and ashamed, they shall be as nothing, and the men shall perish that strive against thee."
Isaias 41:10-11

*The World Christian Encyclopedia, a Protestant publication, records that there were 38,000 non-Catholic Christian sects in the world as of April, 2006, a prime example of "confounding".
"And they shall fight against thee, and shall not prevail, for I am with thee, said the Lord, to deliver thee."
Jeremiah 1:19 "Do not be a stumbling-block to Jews and Greeks and to the Church of GOD."
1Corinthians 10:32 "Therefore, since we receive a kingdom that cannot be shaken, we have grace, through which we may offer pleasing service to GOD with fear and reverence."

Hebrews 12:28 Did you not know that Jesus Christ is the savior of His Body the Church?
"... just as Christ is head of the Church, being himself savior of the body."
Ephesians 5:23 "If GOD is for us, who is against us?"
Romans 8:31 What force on earth would give you trepidation, if the Lord of Lords,
and the King of Kings is with you? "Unless the Lord build the house, they labor in vain who build it."

Psalms 127:1

To those who have formed the 38,000 non-Catholic ecclesial communities, did you ever read this? For those who say the Church which Jesus Christ founded, fell into apostasy sometime after the last Apostle died, aren't they denying all of those verses listed above which guarantee its perpetuality?
Matthew 18:15-18 has said to appeal to the Church for the final authority. If the Church fell into error as some claim, then hasn't GOD deliberately deceived us by telling us to appeal to an apostate Church?
1Timothy 3:15 has told us that it is the Church which is the pillar and foundation of the truth. Aren't those who claim it fell into apostasy saying it is no longer so?
Should we believe the words of Scripture, or mere humans who founded their own denominations without having any authority whatsoever from GOD to do so?
What the Church Fathers and early writers had to say about the perpetuality of the Church... "It is an unhappy ending for those who attack the Catholic Church."

Saint Robert Bellarmine 1542-1621 "This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church, fighting as she does against all heresies. She can fight, but she cannot be beaten. All heresies are expelled from her, like the useless loppings pruned from a vine. She remains fixed in her root, in her vine, in her love. The gates of hell shall not conquer her."

Saint Augustine of Hippo... Sermon to Catechumens, on the Creed, 6:14, Jurgens 1535, 395 A.D. "The Church, instituted by the Lord and confirmed by the Apostles, is one for all men; but the frantic folly of the diverse impious acts sects has cut them off from her. It cannot be denied that this tearing asunder of the faith has arisen from the defect of poor intelligence, which twists what is read to conform to its opinion, instead of adjusting its opinion to the meaning of what is read. However, while individual parties fight among themselves, the Church stands revealed not only by her own doctrines, but by those also of her adversaries. And although they are all arranged against her, she confutes the most wicked error which they all share, by the very fact that she is alone and One. All the heretics, therefore, come against the Church; but while all the heretics can conquer each other, they can win nothing for themselves. For their victory is the triumph of the Church over all of them. One heresy struggles against that teaching of another, which the faith of the Church has already condemned in the other heresy, - for there is nothing which the heretics hold in common, and the result is that they affirm our faith while fighting among themselves."

Saint Hilary of Poitiers... The Trinity, 7:4, Jurgens 865, 356 A.D. We know from the merciless Persecution Against the Catholic Church, from within and from without, since its inception. These Persecutions were foretold by Jesus Christ Himself, in
Matthew 5:11-12, Luke 6:26, and in many other verses. These attacks were from the very beginning, and started with the Jews. Look what happened to them instead! Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed and every Jewish priest was slain by the Romans in 70 A.D.. Judaism was almost completely destroyed. Then came the Romans who burned Christians at the stake and fed them to the lions. They, in turn, and their empire with them were destroyed in 476 A.D.. Along came the Nestorians, Arians, Vandals, Moslems, Waldenses, Albigensians, Catharists, Protestantism, the French Revolution, Modernism, Naziism, Communism, Dissidents, and now Secular Humanism, Fundamentalism, Relativism, Indifferentism, and Hedonism. This only a small sampling, as there are many more heretical groups and beliefs throughout the centuries which are not listed here.

"There is not enough time in the day for me to recite even the names
of all the various sects of heretics."

Saint Ambrose of Milan, The Mystery of the Lord's Incarnation, 5,35, 382 A.D. In every century for almost 2000 years, heretics have been composing the epitaph of the Catholic Church, but instead of burying the Church, the Catholic Church has been burying the heretics.

[Maggyie]

Thanks for the verses!

[jeffpugh]

Beautiful stuff. Thanks for all that. Lets go bury some heresies...

[KnightofChrist]

Awesome stuff Akalyte, saving this for my own apologetic stuff

[Knight of the Holy Rosary]

[FullTruth]

So, Akalyte, does the Catholic Church teach the Christian truth that we must put the serpent and his seed (The Nephilim) under our feet.

Do you cast out devils, and take up serpents?

[quote name='Mark 16:16-19' date=' KJV']He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they [b]cast out devils[/b]; they shall speak with new tongues;

[b]They shall take up serpents[/b]; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.[/quote]

That is the fulfillment of this prophecy.

[quote name='Genesis 3:14-15' date=' JPS']And the LORD God said unto [b]the serpent[/b]: 'Because thou hast done this, cursed art thou from among all cattle, and from among all beasts of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life.
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between [b]thy seed and her seed; they shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise their heel.'[/b][/quote]

So, unless the Catholic Church is engaged in open spiritual warfare against the Nephilim, which is so happens to deny, they are apostate.

Luckily, there has always been a few people who were well aware of the Nephilim and the serpent seed, and have been in warfare against them since the church started.

Remember this scripture,

[quote name='Matthew 7:13-15' date=' KJV']Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.[/quote]

With hundreds of millions of Catholics in the world, with a huge percentage not even aware of the Nephilim, let along fighting them to regain human dominance over planet earth for the glory of God, that doesn't sound narrow, nor does it sound straight to me.

Narrow means very few, which scripture says. 900,000,000 doesn't sound like a few to me?

[jeffpugh]

With all due respect, that is pretty loose interpretation. But if you want to know about Catholic spiritual warfare, I know there are some books out there by exorcists who will affirm the reality of evil... umm Some names and titles will come to me in a bit... I'm asking a friend as I type this...

[N/A Gone]

Fulltruth

you know the Nephilim is a jewish word for the cross breeding of the sons of God and the daughters or men. The pure hebrew word would be "those who cause others to fall" (some jews consider it a form of angels)

so if you are asking if the church fights against "those who cause others to fall" then I would say we set the standard

If you are asking if we fight against literal demons, I would cite exorcisms, as well as site the fact that we do not obsess about demons I feel you are hurting yourself by focusing so much on that.

and u know my spiritual warfare views

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1212377' date='Mar 11 2007, 11:25 PM']Fulltruth

you know the Nephilim is a jewish word for the cross breeding of the sons of God and the daughters or men. The pure hebrew word would be "those who cause others to fall" (some jews consider it a form of angels)

so if you are asking if the church fights against "those who cause others to fall" then I would say we set the standard

If you are asking if we fight against literal demons, I would cite exorcisms, as well as site the fact that we do not obsess about demons I feel you are hurting yourself by focusing so much on that.

and u know my spiritual warfare views[/quote]
I appreciate your concern for me. I don't really focus so much on demons and demonlogy. In fact, of the people I know of who talk about these subjects, I'm far more moderate, and I haven't read the 'extensive' books about Nephilim that they have. I don't really focus on them that much. I truly believe, they have lost, are losing, and will continue to lose against God and his people, period. I can sit back and laugh at them for their absolute stupidity for trying to war against God.

I just want others to know what is happening as well, so they can take up the battle. The more of us crying out to God for freedom of the bondage these people have created, the more God will hear from heaven and deliver us, like he delievered the Jewish nation from Egypt.

On Nephilim, some jews today consider it a form of fallen angels, but older texts like the book of Enoch reveals it was a very common interpration for people in the old testament. But too many of them gave heed to the words of these decievers. I could go on about Solomon's mistake, but many of you already know that I equate the Illuminati with the Nephilim and Solomon having 700 wives and 300 concubines from the heathen nations. There isn't much of a leap, in reason or faith, to realize if there are 13 bloodlines in the world claiming to be of the linage of David, that they're tracing the roots back to David via Solomon and his 700 wives and 300 concubines.

I was only replying to the topic Akalyte posted. I can understand his passion, but he posted this in the debate section, and he should expect a debate from someone.

Things are not going to bad for me right now. Not much happening in the spiritual battle front right now, and God has given me a well deserved break from the battle. I take any break he gives me with joy.

I've gone through some major battles in the last few months, but now I am doing pretty well, and I'm adjusting to the new state of the world I live in. I'm finally finding stablity and balance between loving and praising the lord, fighting the devil, and living my life for the glory of the Christ.

[prose]

[quote]Do you cast out devils?[/quote]

Nope. I leave that to preists who are trained to do this sort of things.

Although in an emergency, I could baptize.

[cmotherofpirl]

I think you have to define demon. Do I fight temptations? Yes on a daily basis.
Are they demons, I don't think so.

[got2luvjc]

Maybe I missed something in the thread, but could someone define "The Nephilim"

is it people who are evil?

[FullTruth]

[quote name='got2luvjc' post='1212691' date='Mar 12 2007, 07:36 PM']Maybe I missed something in the thread, but could someone define "The Nephilim"

is it people who are evil?[/quote]
I love it when someone asks a question and they are honest.

Nephilim means those who cause others to fall, as was pointed out earlier in this thread.

If you ask some modern day jews who study their history, Nephilim are half-breed human beings and demons. Older texts from the Jewish People, like the book of Enoch, Nephilim are definitely described as half-breed human beings and demons.

Satan loves perverting the ways of God, so he wanted sons like God wants sons.

They are definitely evil, but I haven't given up on them yet. I would encourage any Nephilim to defect, and totally submitt to God and never again use their magick powers.

IMHO, right now the Nephilim are ruling over the human race, bringing us into a Egypt like bondage, and it is every believers duty to break that bondage to fulfill the scriptures I pointed up above.

[quote name='Mark 16:16-19' date=' KJV']He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

And these signs shall follow them that believe; [b]In my name shall they cast out devils[/b]; they shall speak with new tongues;

[b]They shall take up serpents[/b]; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.[/quote]

[quote name='Genesis 3:14-15' date=' JPS']And the LORD God said unto the [b]serpent[/b]: 'Because thou hast done this, cursed art thou from among all cattle, and from among all beasts of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life.
And [b]I will put enmity between thee and the woman[/b], and between [b]thy seed and her seed; they shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise their heel.'[/b][/quote]

I really posted this as an alternative theory to Akalytes theory.

I think Jesus Christ was saying that it was Peter's testimony which he would build his church on, and since I can say that Jesus Christ is the son of the living God, and the Christ, I have the same testimony as Peter, and hence, Christanity - the testifying of Jesus Christ is the son of the living God and the Christ, is what Hell will never prevail against it.

I'm not a Protestant, Catholic, Baptist, or any kind of religion. I'm just a God Chaser, and I want to know God through Jesus Christ.

Edited March 13, 2007 by FullTruth

[FullTruth]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1212681' date='Mar 12 2007, 07:04 PM']I think you have to define demon. Do I fight temptations? Yes on a daily basis.
Are they demons, I don't think so.[/quote]
I fight temptations too Cmom, and you're right, they're not demons, at least not most of them. Some are, but not all.

But I could tell you stories of about things that have happened to me, and you'd be amazed. I'm not lying when I say, while I was on the phones at my new job last week, and through out the day I felt stings all over my body. Those aren't temptations, but the devil coming in to try to destroy me. I thank God for the full armour of God to endure that kind of abuse, and his word , the Bible, which gives me a name which I have total power over the serpent and his seed.

I had to go into silent prayer during that time, all while I heard people complain about the services of the company I work for. Talk about when it rains it pours.

Edited March 13, 2007 by FullTruth

[KnightofChrist]

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[b]who were the Nephilim[/b]
Question from William on 12/3/2005:

Dear Father,

The Old Testament in chapter 6 of Genesis, just before it talks of Noah and the flood, states:

1 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.

3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."

4The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

My question is, who were the Nephilim?

[b]Answer by Fr. John Echert on 1/22/2006: [/b]

Genesis records a strange hybrid which resulted from sexual unions between the "daughters of men" and the “sons of God.

6:1 When men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born to them, 6:2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair; and they took to wife such of them as they chose. 6:3 Then the LORD said, "My spirit shall not abide in man for ever, for he is flesh, but his days shall be a hundred and twenty years." 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.

While many scholars prefer to dismiss this entirely as myth which is borrowed from pagans cultures of the ancient near east, it is more appropriate to look for some truth and reality behind this mythical sounding text. Some of the Church Fathers, such as St. Augustine, Chrysostom, and Cyril of Alexandria suggested that the “sons of God” may refer to righteous descendants (men) of Seth who took descendants (women) of Cain as wives. In such a case, “sons of God” associates the men with the goodness of God whereas “daughters of men” would be intended as a contrast to this. This is typical of ancient Semitic expressions which must not be interpreted literally as we understand such constructions but in accord with the customary use of language at the time. Knowing the background of Cain as a killer and the bad blood of his descendants, it is no wonder that such unions would be regarded in a negative light, which unions led to a situation in which humanity was corrupted and unacceptable to God. On the other hand, it is said of Seth and his line that these were the first to reverence the Name of Yahweh. The word “Nephalim” literally means “fallen ones” which sense would be consistent with an interpretation that views this group as a corrupt mixture of good and bad blood. Other commentators have suggested that the “sons of God” were (fallen) angels who somehow mated with human women, but this does present metaphysical complications in light of the natures of each. For now, I find the Patristic solution the most satisfying.

Thanks, William

Father Echert