Hannity And Fr. Etenauer

[Knight of the Holy Rosary]

[quote]I am using this quote in class today.[/quote]

Cool!

[Theologian in Training]

[quote name='Theoketos' post='1212923' date='Mar 13 2007, 10:02 AM']I am using this quote in class today.[/quote]

This sounds like a prayer that was said by Pastor Joe Wright before the House of Representatives in Kansas...an email that is circulating again, despite it being said in 1996:

[quote]This was sent to me by a cousin from Wyoming. Maybe it needs to be sent to our government officials. Hmmmmmmmm!

When minister Joe Wright was asked to open the new sessions of the Kansas Senate, everyone was expecting the usual generalities, but this is what they heard:

THE PRAYER

Heavenly Father, we come before you today to ask Your forgiveness and to seek Your direction and guidance. We know Your Word says, "Woe to those who call evil good,," but that is exactly what we have done. We have lost our spiritual equilibrium and reversed our values.

We confess:

We have ridiculed the absolute truth of Your Word and called it Pluralism.
We have worshipped other gods and called it multiculturalism.
We have endorsed perversion and called it alternative lifestyle.
We have exploited the poor and called it the lottery.
We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare.
We have killed our unborn and called it choice.
We have shot abortionists and called it justifiable.
We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self-esteem.
We have abused power and called it politics.
We have coveted our neighbor's possessions and called it ambition.
We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it freedom of expression.
We have ridiculed the time-honored values of our forefathers and called it enlightenment.

Search us, Oh God, and know our hearts today; cleanse us from every sin and set us free.

Guide and bless these men and women who have been sent to direct us to the center of your will. I ask it in the Name of Your Son, the living Savior, Jesus Christ.

Amen.

The response was immediate. A number of legislators walked out during the prayer in protest. In six short weeks, Central Christian Church, where Rev. Wright is pastor, logged more than 5,000 phone calls with only 47 of those calls responding negatively. The church is now receiving international requests for copies of this prayer from India, Africa, and Korea.

Commentator Paul Harvey aired this prayer on "The Rest of the Story" on the radio and received a larger response to this program than any other he has ever aired.

With the Lord's help, may this prayer sweep over our nation and wholeheartedly become our desire so that we again can be called one nation under God.[/quote]

[Theoketos]

Wow thanks Father!

The kids loved the quote and the video. It fit well with what we going over in Catholic Social Doctrine.

[isilzha]

[url="http://hli.org/sl_2007-03-16.html"]The Church Will Not Be Hannitized[/url]

[XIX]

[quote name='aalpha1989' post='1212886' date='Mar 12 2007, 11:45 PM']i can't believe hannity was so rude to a priest....he was feeling defensive and was meaner to him than he was to some liberals on the program! yay for Fr. Euteneuer[/quote]
Not surprised...

I'm a political conservative but that guy never had a lot of my respect.

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='desertwoman' post='1211587' date='Mar 10 2007, 10:30 PM']There is one point that Sean did make that intrigued me as well. Is NFP a form of birth control?[/quote]
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Don't start that one up again.

But yes it is.

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='Nathan' post='1212288' date='Mar 11 2007, 09:02 PM']You're damned right I am. Richard John Neuhaus, George Weigel, Robert Novak, Peggy Noonan, (in recent years) Joseph Fessio... they're all the same. Their views warrant criticism. Just because they're more orthodox than liberal Catholics does not mean that they don't hold heretical views. All of them do; it's called Americanism and Zionism.[/quote]
heretical? nah, I don't believe you. Provide examples.
Quite frankly, I'm more concerned about Islamism than Zionism. The Muslims are the ones who have been taking over their corner of the world since 650 or so. Forget Jewish expansionism, we need to get North Africa back! And there's nothing wrong with Americanism. We're the hegemon, buddy, time to deal with it and our cultural/political influence!

[desertwoman]

I really respect Rev E. He sticks to his gunz and everything.

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' post='1214713' date='Mar 16 2007, 09:12 PM']heretical? nah, I don't believe you. Provide examples.
Quite frankly, I'm more concerned about Islamism than Zionism. The Muslims are the ones who have been taking over their corner of the world since 650 or so. Forget Jewish expansionism, we need to get North Africa back! And there's nothing wrong with Americanism. We're the hegemon, buddy, time to deal with it and our cultural/political influence![/quote]Americanism refers to a 19th century heresy, discussed in this encyclical of Pope Leo XIII:

[url="http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13teste.htm"]http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13teste.htm[/url]

I don't think I'd be so quick to say that someone (e.g. one of those named by Nathan) is guilty of the heresy of Americanism. "Innocent until proven guilty," as they say.

[Birgitta Noel]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' post='1214712' date='Mar 16 2007, 08:06 PM']AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Don't start that one up again.

But yes it is. [/quote]

NFP is NOT a form of Birth Control/contraception. The Church teaches that is may be used to limit or space children where appropriate. Those using NFP understand that each act of intercourse, even those in the infertile periods, are OPEN to children. Even then children have been conceived.

Contraceptive acts are those which go against life, which frustrate the procreative meaning of the act. Having sex when a woman is infertile frustrates nothing. Not having sex when she is fertile frustrates nothing.

Using a condom frustrates the sperm from entering the woman's vagina. Using the pill frustrates the process of ovulation. Having a vasectomy frustrates the movement of sperm. Having one's tubes tied frustrates the journey of a fertilized egg into the uterus. Using an IUD frustrates implantation.

Having sex in a fertile or infertile time allows the sperm free range so to speak and the eggs too. The fact that the woman is pre/post ovulatory at the time the couple has sex is not due to anything the couple has done. The couple may choose to have or not have sex any time they choose. If they determine they have serious reasons to postpone, or yes, even to avoid pregnancy all together (in the case of genetic disorders, there's a papal statement on this) then they are just using the naturally infertile times. This is not birth control. If they were to become pregnant during this time they would not say that the method failed, but that God intended them to have a child at that time. If one were using the pill/condoms/an iud and one got pregnant then one would say the method failed.

If you want to have this debate we really ought to start a new thread. Talk to a mod to have the posts moved....

[Totus Tuus]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1211716' date='Mar 10 2007, 11:21 PM']It would be immoral for a married couple to restrict their conjugal relations to the woman's infertile periods alone with the intention of never having children, since that would be a form of "contraception."[/quote]

Yup, the key is not having a "contraceptive mentality" when using NFP. The desire not to have children at a particular time should come from a grave reason (financial, economic, health, etc.) which would cause the decision to be made out of love, not selfishness.







Kudos to Father Euteneuer!

Edited March 19, 2007 by Totus Tuus

[Totus Tuus]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' post='1214712' date='Mar 16 2007, 08:06 PM']But yes it is. [/quote]

Okay, personally I would just say that if the couple has a contraceptive mentality, and are using NFP very carefully in order [b]not[/b] to procreate when they should be open to life [u]-in their hearts-[/u] (even though they might accidentally conceive since NFP is not [i]artificial contraception[/i]), I would say that that couple was using birth control, simply because of their mentality and intention. NFP is supposed to be used in union with what the couple sincerely believes to be the holy will of God concerning the size of their family at a particular time. And although it is not contraception, I would say that some people might define it as birth control in their minds, simply because of how and for what reasons they are using it.

Hoooowever, I think most couples with this mentality would probably convince themselves that using [i]artificial[/i] contraception was okay for them, somehow or another, like so many "Catholics" do.

Sorry, back to regularly scheduled broadcasting.



Kudos to Father Euteneuer, again!

Edited March 19, 2007 by Totus Tuus

[Knight of the Holy Rosary]

[quote]Voting for a politician who may be pro choice does NOT make one a bad Catholic and anyone who says so should perhaps question their OWN faith.[/quote]

I guess the Pope is in trouble...

[morostheos]

Just to clarify, Fr. Morris is the vice rector for the Legionaries of Christ seminary here in Rome, so he's not just some random priest hired by Fox to say what they want him to. I think he has a good point, and he later mentioned on his blog that he communicated privately with Fr. E before writing his open letter. From the sound of his letter (when read in its entirety) it seems that Fr. Morris has some sort of working relationship with Hannity. We have no idea what type of conversations may or may not have transpired between the two of them. When it comes to converting hearts, usually the most effective way is not through public accusations. It was less of a "do not judge" thing and more of a prudence thing. Fr. E may have gotten a huge round of applause from gobs of orthodox Catholics across america for his actions, but how many do you think he converted by making such a statement in public? I think the point of Fr. Morris' letter was that Christ never made a public spectacle of those who were "bad" no matter how many people he may have converted using such a method.

[Maggyie]

[quote name='morostheos' post='1216034' date='Mar 19 2007, 08:09 PM']Just to clarify, Fr. Morris is the vice rector for the Legionaries of Christ seminary here in Rome, so he's not just some random priest hired by Fox to say what they want him to. I think he has a good point, and he later mentioned on his blog that he communicated privately with Fr. E before writing his open letter. From the sound of his letter (when read in its entirety) it seems that Fr. Morris has some sort of working relationship with Hannity. We have no idea what type of conversations may or may not have transpired between the two of them. When it comes to converting hearts, usually the most effective way is not through public accusations. It was less of a "do not judge" thing and more of a prudence thing. Fr. E may have gotten a huge round of applause from gobs of orthodox Catholics across america for his actions, but how many do you think he converted by making such a statement in public? I think the point of Fr. Morris' letter was that Christ never made a public spectacle of those who were "bad" no matter how many people he may have converted using such a method.[/quote]

Hmmm... good point.