Evolution Is A Hoax!

[cmotherofpirl]

'Truthseeker777'

You are absolutely right dear.

i realise there is one big difference between you and me.
I believe God when he tells me that he created the world in six days.And i believe He can do that with the snap of a finger.
I believe he created Adam as a grown man on a grown earth beacause He can.


[color="#FF0000"]God is almighty, correct? Then why did the Trinity take six days to make Creation?
Why not a snap of the fingers?[/color]

You don't, you don't think God is capable of that,you are questioning The almighty?
That's your choice and you will have to answer to that.

[color="#FF0000"]What is wrong with questioning God? Job did it.[/color]

Men faked science,not God.

[color="#FF0000"]See this is where I feel you go off the deep end. You are assuming and accusing all the men of science for the whole existance of mankind to be fakers. And since you are using electricity and a computer, you have an obvious credibility issue yourself. What you probably mean is that any science you cannnot understand or disagree with is faked, correct?[/color]

God Told you what he have done,you choose not to believe him.

You choose to interpret His word simply because you can't find an explenation or understand his creation, you may be smart but i assure you God is smarter.
You believe in evolution, there is no prove for that just a theory and imagination.

[color="#FF0000"]God could certainly create anything he wants at any time He wants. But since people were not around when it happened there are no eyewitnesses. God told someone about Creation and they remembered it as a story. The best way to remember ANYTHING is to tell a story. Stories were told for generations before writing them done. Stories were told until Moses and the tribes were in the desert with lots of time on their hands and he started writing them down.

And I never said I believe in strict evolution , that is just another assumption on your part.
[/color]

I believe in the creation because me creator told me so.
You don't.
[color="#FF0000"]But I do. But I also understand the concept of a jewish teaching story, the historical background, what other cultures beleived at the time, how the Creation story beautifully refutes them, the oral transmission of information, and the fact that the Bible is teaching our theological history, not chronological history, and the Bible is not a scientific textbook, or a word for word guide to pre-history. And all that makes it far more believable and awesome, how God has given us our background and beliefs and how everything came to be. Genesis is the basis of everything we believe, but one can seperate the information from the envelope it comes in. [/color]

That is why you and me will never agree with anything,you have some major issues with what God say. I don't.

[color="#FF0000"]No I have major issues with anyone who reads a book without any reference to culture, context, or history. [/color]

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Truthseeker777' post='1207220' date='Mar 3 2007, 10:16 AM']There's links between many things,after all God created everything.

When you read the book of Enoch,and the book of Enoch is mentioned many times in the bible.
You will read that in one of his visions,one of the angels called URIEL explained to him the works of the heavens.

It is called:[b]The book of the courses of the heavenly luminaries[/b]

in this chapter it states that a year consists out of 365 days.

So it is a fact that a day is a day in the bible.

You can read the book of Enoch online,its really good.
And it debunks evolution completely.

[url="http://www.heaven.net.nz/writings/thebookofenoch.htm"]Book of Enoch[/url][/quote]
The book enjoyed wide reading, but is not Scripture, and is not inerrant. It was a composition of several different rabbinic traditions dating back before Christ.

[FullTruth]

Scientific And Bible Inaccuricies of this post -

1.) There was a layer of liquid water above the earth.
Innaccuracy 1 - it would create such atmospheric pressure, no life could exist. We'd have been chunky salsa.
Innaccuracy 2 - This is not the water God used to flood the earth with.
Innaccuracy 3 - Such water would have been falling all the time, and I don't believe it could have been going fast enough to stay in stationary orbit. The water would have been constantly falling.

Solution in Scripture and Science -
1 - Clouds are made up of [b]water[/b] vapour, as is fog. Since the Bible describes God creating a mist from the ground to water the earth, we can pretty much say he was creating a cloud and water vapour - which would block out a lot of UV rays too.
2 - The flood was created by deposits of water underneath the surface of the earth, not some nebulous liquid water barrier in the sky.

[quote name='Genesis 7:11-12']In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.[/quote]

[quote name='Genesis 8:1']And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters assuaged;[/quote]

Assauged means to drain - like a tub of water drains. The water goes down. So the water came from underneath the earth, and the water returned there.

These scriptures also point out the flood wasn't created of some melting of the ice caps at some nebulous end of the ice age.

2.) Dinosuars and Dragons.

First of all - Dragon was a word used to describe a lot of things at the time.

I think the 'Fire-Breathing' type are probably Fallen Angels in the flesh in our world. I'll have to go to God to see if that is the truth.

The Non-Fire Breathing ones were definitely Dinosaurs. Dinosaurs weren't suffering after the flood though.

The reason - Dinosaurs like T-rex and Brontosaurs were so huge they wouldn't have much territory they could have. The reason for this is no animal can weight more than 8 per cent of its food supply for the food supply to be healthy, according to science. T-Rexs and other large predators and Brontosaurs and other large herbivores, would be limited by the amount of food supply on the land they inhabit. So there would be very few of them.

So if a Group of Brontosaurs disrupted the fields your flock of sheep used, I would think you would get your friends together, and go on a 'Dragon Slaying Excursion'.

Same thing with T-Rex. T-Rex would be even more vulnerable to this, because T-Rex is a solitary hunter. Especially if it wasn't your sheep, but your daughter or son.

Humanity would wipe such annoyances out.

There wasn't much of a change of climate between the Garden of Eden and now, in my opinion.

Third - Dinosaurs were definitely not Reptiles.

I know enough about their physiology to know this. Many were Homothermic - meaning they kept their own body tempratures, or even warm blooded. Animals can't get that size and be cold blooded.

Second, Many Dinosaurs had avian hip joints.

I consider Dinosaurs to be an inbetween life form (not missing link). God creates as he wills, and he created Dinosaurs to be both Avian-like and Reptile-like. It's my Grade 13 biology class opinion that Dinosaurs are an entire group onto themselves. Its just an opinion, which I like supporting with facts.

Brotosaurs, for instance, go against the idea of dinosaurs being Reptiles, as no reptile on the earth is herbivore, or stands upright on four legs like a Mammal.

As I stated, God creates as he creates.

On the fact, Pleasuars and Brontosaur like animals have been seen in swamps and in lakes all over the world, that would be great proof of the earth being 6,000 years old. According to Evolutionists, animals don't exist 65,000,000 years without changing a great deal, and yet there are tribes today who have drawings that describe them pefectly.

Edited March 3, 2007 by FullTruth

[Fixxxer]

[quote name='Truthseeker777' post='1207220' date='Mar 3 2007, 09:16 AM']There's links between many things,after all God created everything.

When you read the book of Enoch,and the book of Enoch is mentioned many times in the bible.
You will read that in one of his visions,one of the angels called URIEL explained to him the works of the heavens.

It is called:[b]The book of the courses of the heavenly luminaries[/b]

in this chapter it states that a year consists out of 365 days.

So it is a fact that a day is a day in the bible.

You can read the book of Enoch online,its really good.
And it debunks evolution completely.

[url="http://www.heaven.net.nz/writings/thebookofenoch.htm"]Book of Enoch[/url][/quote]


that book would be using human time after God did all his creation, that dosent prove it was the same time he used. I dont see any time references in genesis saying how long each day was.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1207224' date='Mar 3 2007, 10:36 AM']Well, Dr. Kent Hovind taught science for 15 years and does have the authority to speak on these topics. He has done numerous debates with evolutionists as well. He is always up to debating with them. You can actually watch his debates online for free on Google Video. Hovind presents a lot of evidence disproving evolution, so of course he's going to have his fair share of enemies. He is a creationist, so of course he's going to support God's Word and that is what the Bible dictates.[/quote]
I have watched many hours worth of his videos and my last post was my own opinion, I was not simply aping his enemies. His "degree" is from an unaccredited mail order degree place and is in "Christian Education". He did teach"science" at a private fundie school but he doesn't have any real credentials.

He is not a scientist; he is a fundamentalist preacher who likes to act as though he deserves to be taken seriously in matters of science.

I would say that not only is his "science" embarrassingly bad, but his naive literal interpretations of the Bible are pretty lame as well. And did you know that he's in prison right now for some pretty weird stuff?

If you're really interested in evolution I would suggest actually learning the hard science, you won't get that from Hovind (and again, I've watched his videos).

[Anomaly]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1207263' date='Mar 3 2007, 12:37 PM']Brotosaurs, for instance, go against the idea of dinosaurs being Reptiles, as no reptile on the earth is herbivore, or stands upright on four legs like a Mammal.[/quote]Turtles are herbivores. Mammals are both bi-peds and quadra-peds. There are lizards that run on their rear two legs.

You're just goofing us, aren't you?

[Urib2007]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1207308' date='Mar 3 2007, 01:04 PM']And did you know that he's in prison right now for some pretty weird stuff?

If you're really interested in evolution I would suggest actually learning the hard science, you won't get that from Hovind (and again, I've watched his videos).[/quote]

Yeah, I did find out he's in jail for tax evasion. If you call that "weird" then okay.
You should check out his debates with evolutionists.

Dr. Hovind debates Dr. James Paulson
[url="http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4440517326780624645&q=dr.+hovind"]http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...mp;q=dr.+hovind[/url]

[hoosieranna]

Before you lob Scripture verses my way, know that I don't argue deep theology and philosophy. I'm purely a dilettante.

A lot of the arguments used by literalists are based on the assumption that one day in the Bible is 24 hours long. This limits God to human time. This is an arrogant assumption. We don't know that a day to God is not millions or billions of years, or even that God experiences time. Frankly, we just don't know much about God, other than what has been given to us. The rest is speculation.

And no, I'm not Catholic or a fundy.

[Farsight one]

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1207222' date='Mar 3 2007, 09:32 AM']Did you get a hold of all of those textbooks to see if they really claimed all of that information? I recommend you check out my facts first before commenting.[/quote]Did you get a hold of those text books? Or did you just pull the "fact" out of your butt? I'm calling you out on this. When someone provides a "fact", in proper debate, it is up to THEM(i.e. YOU) to provide evidence, or at least a logical following to back it up. You did not. Don't push the burden of proof off onto me because you know you can't.
[quote]
School textbooks were also written by men, yet people believe everything they say.
[/quote]I really don't see what your point is here.

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1207263' date='Mar 3 2007, 11:37 AM']
Solution in Scripture and Science -
1 - Clouds are made up of [b]water[/b] vapour, as is fog. Since the Bible describes God creating a mist from the ground to water the earth, we can pretty much say he was creating a cloud and water vapour - which would block out a lot of UV rays too.
2 - The flood was created by deposits of water underneath the surface of the earth, not some nebulous liquid water barrier in the sky.
Assauged means to drain - like a tub of water drains. The water goes down. So the water came from underneath the earth, and the water returned there.[/quote]Or maybe a flood occured because it rained? If water bubbles up from beneath the earth, it need pressure to force it that way. If enough pressure built up to force up enough water to flood the entirety of the planet, where did it come from? Why didn't volcanoes go crazy from the pressure?

[quote]I think the 'Fire-Breathing' type are probably Fallen Angels in the flesh in our world. I'll have to go to God to see if that is the truth.[/quote]There you go again, personally interpretting the bible for yourself.

[quote]Third - Dinosaurs were definitely not Reptiles.[/quote]Umm..yes they were. Scientist don't really debate that anymore.

[quote]I know enough about their physiology to know this. Many were Homothermic - meaning they kept their own body tempratures, or even warm blooded. Animals can't get that size and be cold blooded.[/quote]Way to get your info from wikipedia, rather than a credible source. Yes, animals can get that size and be cold blooded. In fact, it would be easier to be that size, because the surface area to mass ratio would be on average lower, and therefore, it would be easier for a cold blooded animal to retain heat, but also to not get too hot.

[quote]Second, Many Dinosaurs had avian hip joints.[/quote]Which is evidence FOR evolution.

[quote]Brotosaurs, for instance, go against the idea of dinosaurs being Reptiles, as no reptile on the earth is herbivore, or stands upright on four legs like a Mammal.[/quote]Herbivore - turtle
stands upright on four legs - chameleon
[b]Anomaly[/b], by "Upright on four legs", I think he meant straight-legged. Crocodiles legs stick straight out and then bend at the knee, which is not considered upright.
stands upright on TWO legs - waterwalker

[quote]On the fact, Pleasuars and Brontosaur like animals have been seen in swamps and in lakes all over the world, that would be great proof of the earth being 6,000 years old. According to Evolutionists, animals don't exist 65,000,000 years without changing a great deal, and yet there are tribes today who have drawings that describe them pefectly.[/quote]
1. It's Brontosaurus, not brontosaur
2. The official name was changed to Apatosaurus about a decade ago.
3. Actually, they aren't found all over the world. The Apatosaurus is found in the upper midwest of the U.S. I've been to a quarry with them in Utah. Very cool.
4. Pleasuar? I'm sorry, but there's many dinosaurs and the like with very similar names. I'm not criticizing your misspelling, but I can't really do anything with that because it could refer to any one of many creatures.
5. Maybe they can describe them perfectly because they're MODERN day tribes? They went to the library and looked it up? And even if not, it's easy to gauge what something looks like from looking at it's bones.
6. No, Evolutionist don't believe that animals HAVE to change a great deal in 65 million years. It's widely accepted that the crocodile or alligator(I get them mixed up all the time) is relatively unchanged in 65 million years. All that's really happened to it is that it's average body size has shrunk.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Farsight one' post='1207386' date='Mar 3 2007, 07:01 PM']Did you get a hold of those text books? Or did you just pull the "fact" out of your butt? I'm calling you out on this. When someone provides a "fact", in proper debate, it is up to THEM(i.e. YOU) to provide evidence, or at least a logical following to back it up. You did not. Don't push the burden of proof off onto me because you know you can't.
I really don't see what your point is here.

Or maybe a flood occured because it rained? If water bubbles up from beneath the earth, it need pressure to force it that way. If enough pressure built up to force up enough water to flood the entirety of the planet, where did it come from? Why didn't volcanoes go crazy from the pressure?

There you go again, personally interpretting the bible for yourself.

Umm..yes they were. Scientist don't really debate that anymore.

Way to get your info from wikipedia, rather than a credible source. Yes, animals can get that size and be cold blooded. In fact, it would be easier to be that size, because the surface area to mass ratio would be on average lower, and therefore, it would be easier for a cold blooded animal to retain heat, but also to not get too hot.

Which is evidence FOR evolution.

Herbivore - turtle
stands upright on four legs - chameleon
[b]Anomaly[/b], by "Upright on four legs", I think he meant straight-legged. Crocodiles legs stick straight out and then bend at the knee, which is not considered upright.
stands upright on TWO legs - waterwalker
1. It's Brontosaurus, not brontosaur
2. The official name was changed to Apatosaurus about a decade ago.
3. Actually, they aren't found all over the world. The Apatosaurus is found in the upper midwest of the U.S. I've been to a quarry with them in Utah. Very cool.
4. Pleasuar? I'm sorry, but there's many dinosaurs and the like with very similar names. I'm not criticizing your misspelling, but I can't really do anything with that because it could refer to any one of many creatures.
5. Maybe they can describe them perfectly because they're MODERN day tribes? They went to the library and looked it up? And even if not, it's easy to gauge what something looks like from looking at it's bones.
6. No, Evolutionist don't believe that animals HAVE to change a great deal in 65 million years. It's widely accepted that the crocodile or alligator(I get them mixed up all the time) is relatively unchanged in 65 million years. All that's really happened to it is that it's average body size has shrunk.[/quote]
I'm only pointing out the Holy Scriptures as Jewish people translate them.

The rains were caused by water deposits below the surface of the earth. God caused quiet a bit of damange when he proclaimed judgement on the Ancient Enemy during the times of Noah.

That is, at least, how the Bible said the flood happened.

The Bronto/Apatosaurus is actually alive today, but there are certain people who don't want you to know that.

The fact many primitive tribes in South America have paintings of Brontosaurus kinda shows they are still around, because those primitive tribes wouldn't have a point of reference unless they saw one.

I do note they are PRIMITIVE TRIBES IN HUTS USING SPEARS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE AMAZON. They've never been in a museum, library, or had a computer. Unless this is a 'conspiracy' theory of Creationists to disprove Evolution. I don't know why we would have to disprove something that isn't the truth.

On Wikipedia. I didn't even have one link on my post here.

Listen, Evolution is a religion and is guided by a demonic spirit that says the stronger should rule and the weaker should be a slave race for the strong. That is where Eugenics comes from - The Nazis were great proponents to it - because they were consumed by the Spirit of Evolution. The Strong/Elite manufacture human beings to be their slaves. The Strong/Elite consider us animals, and we should bend to them.

I'm against them, because they are lead by Lucifier himself, and he wants to destroy us.

Once you realize this, you say - I reject that spirit in every way, shape, and form.

You can believe Theistic Evolution if you want, but it is one step away from the Spirit of Evolution, which will make you believe those lies. I would rather not take that step.

[Farsight one]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1207400' date='Mar 3 2007, 06:37 PM']I'm only pointing out the Holy Scriptures as Jewish people translate them.[/quote]Ummm...what?

[quote]The rains were caused by water deposits below the surface of the earth. God caused quiet a bit of damange when he proclaimed judgement on the Ancient Enemy during the times of Noah.

That is, at least, how the Bible said the flood happened.[/quote]Sounds like water from the earth evaporated, turned to clouds, and then rained down. Right?

[quote]The Bronto/Apatosaurus is actually alive today, but there are certain people who don't want you to know that.[/quote]Wow...so where's your evidence for this? If there are certain people who don't want me to know this, then how do you know? and why don't you provide evidence for it, since you are not one of those people who don't want me to know?

[quote]The fact many primitive tribes in South America have paintings of Brontosaurus kinda shows they are still around, because those primitive tribes wouldn't have a point of reference unless they saw one.

I do note they are PRIMITIVE TRIBES IN HUTS USING SPEARS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE AMAZON. They've never been in a museum, library, or had a computer. Unless this is a 'conspiracy' theory of Creationists to disprove Evolution. I don't know why we would have to disprove something that isn't the truth.[/quote]Being primitive does not remove them from interaction with modernized people. The "wildboys" (those guys from the show jack***) spent a couple of days hanging out with primitive tribes in africa. They're primitive, but they're not stupid, and they'd remember being told about a creature like a dinosaur.

Even if they haven't been told, its called "imagination". How many times do you think a little kid has drawn an animal that they "invented" in their head, which ended up looking exactly like a real animal that the kid just didn't know about? Perhaps long ago, one of their members thought up the idea of a creature that looks like an apatosaurus and it caught on?

[quote]On Wikipedia. I didn't even have one link on my post here.[/quote]I didn't say you posted a link, but I check wikipedia too. (it's a somewhat useful place to find credible sources) the information that I quoted was right out of, if I remember correctly, the "brontosaurus" section.

[quote]Listen, Evolution is a religion and is guided by a demonic spirit that says the stronger should rule and the weaker should be a slave race for the strong. That is where Eugenics comes from - The Nazis were great proponents to it - because they were consumed by the Spirit of Evolution. The Strong/Elite manufacture human beings to be their slaves. The Strong/Elite consider us animals, and we should bend to them. [/quote]We've been over this. Evolution is NOT a religion. I'm not explaining it again.

[quote]You can believe Theistic Evolution if you want, but it is one step away from the Spirit of Evolution, which will make you believe those lies. I would rather not take that step.[/quote]You can't see over the cliff if you're not right there on the edge. In other words, you're staying back, and therefore remain completely blind to the other side.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Farsight one' post='1207422' date='Mar 3 2007, 07:54 PM']We've been over this. Evolution is NOT a religion. I'm not explaining it again.

You can't see over the cliff if you're not right there on the edge. In other words, you're staying back, and therefore remain completely blind to the other side.[/quote]
Evolution is a religion, not science.

And I'd rather not see what is over the cliff, because I already know what it is in faith. I'd be looking straight into the bowels of hell.

All your other thoughts are irrelevant.

There are dinosaurs still on the earth today, and the elites will do anything to ensure you don't know anything about that because if you did know, you'd know this whole 4.6 billion years things is a fairy tale, which would defang a lot of their wickedness.