The Roman Church Of Constantine

[Dave]

The Roman Catholic Church was founded by the Roman Emperor, Constantine, in 313 A.D.???

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That is what some anti-Catholics will tell you.

When you ask them for "proof" of what they say, they will refer to the "Edict of Milan" issued by Emperor Constantine in 313 A.D.

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This false charge is riddled with errors. Let us examine them one at a time...

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1. They use faulty reasoning by saying that since the Catholic Church is called the "Roman Catholic Church", it must have been founded by a Roman Emperor, namely Constantine. They point to the "Edict of Milan", issued in 313 A.D., as "proof". Now if anyone would just read the "Edict" for themselves, they would find that it merely gave Christianity the freedom to practice the faith openly and with no fear of persecution from the Romans. After all, for centuries Christians were persecuted mercilessly by the Romans from the very beginning. It was the Romans who nailed Jesus Christ to the cross and it was a Roman soldier who thrust a spear into His side. Do you recall the Roman Circus and all of those hungry lions?

Nothing at all is said in the "Edict" about Constantine founding the "Catholic Church", which is not even mentioned by name in the document, and the persons who perpetrate this false charge cannot provide any other genuine historical document which supports it.

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2. Their second error is the fact that the term ,"Roman Catholic", was not even coined until about 1200 years later in the 16th century, by Protestant reformers, especially Anglicans, because they wanted to retain the name "Catholic" for themselves.

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3. Their third error is their failure to read, and to accept, the documents of the Church Fathers and other Church writers. Hundreds of these documents clearly contain the words "Catholic Church", and are dated from 107 A.D.. That date is hundreds of years before Constantine's "Edict" was issued. Genuine historical writings in which the words "Catholic Church" appear, are in every century from 107, up to and beyond the Reformation, and to this very day.

The sheer volume of these genuine historical documents is so overwhelming, that it is a continuity that cannot be denied.

Saint Augustine alone, mentioned the Catholic Church by name over 300 times in his writings. Just to mention a few more, so did Saint Athanasius and Saint Jerome mentioned the Catholic Church by name many times. These are just three examples out of scores of early authors.

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4. Their fourth error is in trying to show that the "Catholic Church", and the "Roman Catholic Church", are two different Churches, when in fact they are one and the same.

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5. Their fifth error is their interpretation of, for example, the Russian Catholic Church, the Ukranian Catholic Church, etc. They try to show divisions such as Roman, Russian, Ukrainian etc. They fail to realize that there are many Catholics in these, and many other countries, and they are not separate Catholic Churches, but are united to the one Holy Catholic Church. The names just distinguish them from the Orthodox Churches in those countries. It would be proper to say, "the Catholic Church in Russia, the Catholic Church in Ukraine", etc..

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6. Their sixth error is tagged to the first error in that anti-Catholics try to peg the Catholic Church as an "apostate"* or a "Pagan Church", since they charge that it "was founded" by the pagan Roman Emperor Constantine. If the detractors insist on this false charge, then they will have to admit that the very Bible which they all use, came from that same "apostate" or "pagan" Church, and it was provided by that Church scores of years after Constantine died.

*Calling the Catholic Church an "apostate Church" is tantamount to calling Jesus Christ a liar

(1John 5:10), for Jesus promised in Matthew 28:20, that He would be with His Church every day in every century until the end of time, and with no gaps. He also promised that the Holy Spirit would be with His Church forever, in John 14:16-17, and that His Church is the final authority, in

Matthew 18:17, and that He would not orphan His Church, in John 14:18.

Saint Paul wrote in Ephesians that, "Just as Christ is head of the Church, being Himself savior of the body." Ephesians 5:21

Now who or what is the Body of Christ? It is His Church. Ephesians 1:22-23

So since Jesus Christ is the Savior of His Church, could it ever become an "apostate Church"?

Saint Paul also said that it is the Church which is the "pillar and foundation of the truth",

in 1Timothy 3:15. He did not say it was the Bible.

So someone please tell me then, how the Church which Jesus Christ founded could ever apostatize?

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7. Their seventh error is in failing to read the history of Constantine (285-337) which is quite interesting, as he was a pagan Roman Emperor who was Baptized into the Catholic Church just before he died in 337. If he had founded the Catholic Church in 313 as some claim, then why did he wait until 337 before joining it? How could he have founded a Church to which he did not belong? How could a non-baptized pagan found a Christian Church? Who would join it?

His mother was Saint Helena who journeyed to the Holy Land in search of the true Cross of Christ. She found it in a miraculous way, but that in itself is yet another interesting story.

[Truth]

The Roman Catholic Church was founded by the Roman Emperor, Constantine, in 313 A.D.???

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That is what some anti-Catholics will tell you.

When you ask them for "proof" of what they say, they will refer to the "Edict of Milan" issued by Emperor Constantine in 313 A.D.

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This false charge is riddled with errors. Let us examine them one at a time...

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1. They use faulty reasoning by saying that since the Catholic Church is called the "Roman Catholic Church", it must have been founded by a Roman Emperor, namely Constantine. They point to the "Edict of Milan", issued in 313 A.D., as "proof". Now if anyone would just read the "Edict" for themselves, they would find that it merely gave Christianity the freedom to practice the faith openly and with no fear of persecution from the Romans. After all, for centuries Christians were persecuted mercilessly by the Romans from the very beginning. It was the Romans who nailed Jesus Christ to the cross and it was a Roman soldier who thrust a spear into His side. Do you recall the Roman Circus and all of those hungry lions?

Nothing at all is said in the "Edict" about Constantine founding the "Catholic Church", which is not even mentioned by name in the document, and the persons who perpetrate this false charge cannot provide any other genuine historical document which supports it.

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2. Their second error is the fact that the term ,"Roman Catholic", was not even coined until about 1200 years later in the 16th century, by Protestant reformers, especially Anglicans, because they wanted to retain the name "Catholic" for themselves.

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3. Their third error is their failure to read, and to accept, the documents of the Church Fathers and other Church writers. Hundreds of these documents clearly contain the words "Catholic Church", and are dated from 107 A.D.. That date is hundreds of years before Constantine's "Edict" was issued. Genuine historical writings in which the words "Catholic Church" appear, are in every century from 107, up to and beyond the Reformation, and to this very day.

The sheer volume of these genuine historical documents is so overwhelming, that it is a continuity that cannot be denied.

Saint Augustine alone, mentioned the Catholic Church by name over 300 times in his writings. Just to mention a few more, so did Saint Athanasius and Saint Jerome mentioned the Catholic Church by name many times. These are just three examples out of scores of early authors.

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4. Their fourth error is in trying to show that the "Catholic Church", and the "Roman Catholic Church", are two different Churches, when in fact they are one and the same.

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5. Their fifth error is their interpretation of, for example, the Russian Catholic Church, the Ukranian Catholic Church, etc. They try to show divisions such as Roman, Russian, Ukrainian etc. They fail to realize that there are many Catholics in these, and many other countries, and they are not separate Catholic Churches, but are united to the one Holy Catholic Church. The names just distinguish them from the Orthodox Churches in those countries. It would be proper to say, "the Catholic Church in Russia, the Catholic Church in Ukraine", etc..

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6. Their sixth error is tagged to the first error in that anti-Catholics try to peg the Catholic Church as an "apostate"* or a "Pagan Church", since they charge that it "was founded" by the pagan Roman Emperor Constantine. If the detractors insist on this false charge, then they will have to admit that the very Bible which they all use, came from that same "apostate" or "pagan" Church, and it was provided by that Church scores of years after Constantine died.

*Calling the Catholic Church an "apostate Church" is tantamount to calling Jesus Christ a liar

(1John 5:10), for Jesus promised in Matthew 28:20, that He would be with His Church every day in every century until the end of time, and with no gaps. He also promised that the Holy Spirit would be with His Church forever, in John 14:16-17, and that His Church is the final authority, in

Matthew 18:17, and that He would not orphan His Church, in John 14:18.

Saint Paul wrote in Ephesians that, "Just as Christ is head of the Church, being Himself savior of the body." Ephesians 5:21

Now who or what is the Body of Christ? It is His Church. Ephesians 1:22-23

So since Jesus Christ is the Savior of His Church, could it ever become an "apostate Church"?

Saint Paul also said that it is the Church which is the "pillar and foundation of the truth",

in 1Timothy 3:15. He did not say it was the Bible.

So someone please tell me then, how the Church which Jesus Christ founded could ever apostatize?

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7. Their seventh error is in failing to read the history of Constantine (285-337) which is quite interesting, as he was a pagan Roman Emperor who was Baptized into the Catholic Church just before he died in 337. If he had founded the Catholic Church in 313 as some claim, then why did he wait until 337 before joining it? How could he have founded a Church to which he did not belong? How could a non-baptized pagan found a Christian Church? Who would join it?

His mother was Saint Helena who journeyed to the Holy Land in search of the true Cross of Christ. She found it in a miraculous way, but that in itself is yet another interesting story.

You are so wise, that you indict the Cc or Catholic Church, one in the same. I with the use of Essentials of world History, Bible times, Great Religions, Bible Almanac, Biblical History, states that Constantine not only gave them freedom but transformed Roman into a Christian State. Furthermore, it the Church was the only institution of the empire that survived the collapse of the empire. The early church was lead by elder. The leadership of elder go back to Enoch. Sorry the Cc did't tell you about that guy right.

[Dave]

You are so wise, that you indict the Cc or Catholic Church, one in the same. I with the use of Essentials of world History, Bible times, Great Religions, Bible Almanac, Biblical History, states that Constantine not only gave them freedom but transformed Roman into a Christian State. Furthermore, it the Church was the only institution of the empire that survived the collapse of the empire. The early church was lead by elder. The leadership of elder go back to Enoch. Sorry the Cc did't tell you about that guy right.

I'm sorry, but I can't respond to that unless you type that out more accurately. Because right now I can't see the point you're trying to make.

[NewReformation]

You are so wise, that you indict the Cc or Catholic Church, one in the same. I with the use of Essentials of world History, Bible times, Great Religions, Bible Almanac, Biblical History, states that Constantine not only gave them freedom but transformed Roman into a Christian State. Furthermore, it the Church was the only institution of the empire that survived the collapse of the empire. The early church was lead by elder. The leadership of elder go back to Enoch. Sorry the Cc did't tell you about that guy right.

Dude...have you taken Grammar yet? Because I have a hard time understanding anything you write.

[God Conquers]

You can trace our Church leaders directly back to Enoch? I'd love to see that.

[cmotherofpirl]

Enoch?

I thought Jesus Christ founded the Church.

Here is info on this book:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01602a.htm

Edited January 25, 2004 by cmotherofpirl

[Bruce S]

In truth, God founded His church, Abraham was the one who received the message first. Everyone else, including Jesus, came to clean up what man missed or needed attonment for.

It is a seamless entity, from the Garden of Eden to Revelation.

Any DENOMINATION, is merely man's attempt to be in conformance with THE WORD.

The Catholic Church is just the one more group that wants to incorporate interpretation as God's word. Tradition is NOT real AUTHORITY. Tradition is what it means, man's flawed grasping to implementation.

Edited January 25, 2004 by Bruce S

[Paladin D]

In truth, God founded His church, Abraham was the one who received the message first. Everyone else, including Jesus, came to clean up what man missed or needed attonment for.

It is a seamless entity, from the Garden of Eden to Revelation.

Any DENOMINATION, is merely man's attempt to be in conformance with THE WORD.

The Catholic Church is just the one more group that wants to incorporate interpretation as God's word. Tradition is NOT real AUTHORITY. Tradition is what it means, man's flawed grasping to implementation.

Bruce, you are in a denomination.

The Catholic Church was first, and is not a denomination. Other sects are denominations, since they seperated from the Church. Your beliefs, or non-denominationalism is a denominational belief... a belief in no denomination.